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Статьи про коныратов бурятов и даянханидов

Еще один аргумент в пользу жужаней в захоронении

Можете название статьи дать здесь?

вряд ли, до этого не находили. В статье всего один старкластер и судя по названию, он будет из последней популяции в статье из средневековых монголов

1. Рахмет 2. могут. Моя родня по прямой мужской линии будет наверное в Средней Азии среди узбеков.

Посмотрел wood on the coffin board. Надо детальнее статью прочитать еще раз

Спасибо за подсказку, теперь больше возможности что это жужани, европейцы мне кажется будут более точны. Хотя надо почитать это датиовки останков или чего-то другоо. Те же китайцы датировали останки

Кстати, вполне возможно. ))

Просьба в предположениях слово кластер не использовать (субклад более правильно в вашем случае), ведь вы же там не анализировали гаплотипы.

Я так и считаю, тем более учитывая те останки которые находили в хуннском Эгин-гольском захоронении

Выкиньте эту глупую идею что С2 и монголы это синонимы.С2 гораздо шире чем просто монголоязычные популяции

а вы как думаете?, Мне кажется тут все очевидно, тем более если вы мою статью читали

Вообще, у монголов С2-Ф1756 не более 5-10 %, это нестарый субклад который распространился широко от монголов до Пакистана и Восточной Европы, правда там уже процентов еще меньше.

Обмен генетическим материалом между соседями вполне распространенная явление

Да, название на английском не совпадает с русским

возможно тюрки

Радиуглеродная датировка указывает на 585-650 годы, явно не жужани.

У них этот субклад но какой кластер не понятно еще

ПалеоДНк по жужаням https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491 The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou First published: 21 April 2018 https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491 Abstract Objectives Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran. Materials and methods The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual. Results The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017). Discussion We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

ПалеоДНк по жужаням https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491 The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou First published: 21 April 2018 https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491 Abstract Objectives Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran. Materials and methods The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual. Results The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017). Discussion We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

ПалеоДНК по жужаням https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu populationJiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui ZhouFirst published: 21 April 2018https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491AbstractObjectivesFollowing the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran.Materials and methodsThe mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual.ResultsThe mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017).DiscussionWe conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

Темиргалиев Р.Дж. О РАННЕЙ ИСТОРИИ НАРОДА КАНЦЗЮЙ https://www.academia.edu/36477376/О_РАННЕЙ_ИСТОРИИ_НАРОДА_КАНЦЗЮЙ

Темиргалиев Р.Дж. О РАННЕЙ ИСТОРИИ НАРОДА КАНЦЗЮЙ https://www.academia.edu/36477376/О_РАННЕЙ_ИСТОРИИ_НАРОДА_КАНЦЗЮЙ

Темиргалиев Р.Дж. О РАННЕЙ ИСТОРИИ НАРОДА КАНЦЗЮЙ https://www.academia.edu/36477376/О_РАННЕЙ_ИСТОРИИ_НАРОДА_КАНЦЗЮЙ

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