asan-kaygy

свежо предание.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24132124

J Hum Genet. 2013 Oct 17. doi: 10.1038/jhg.2013.108. [Epub ahead of print] Y-chromosome diversity in the Kalmyks at the ethnical and tribal levels. Malyarchuk B, Derenko M, Denisova G, Khoyt S, Woźniak M, Grzybowski T, Zakharov I. SourceGenetics Laboratory, Institute of Biological Problems of the North, Russian Academy of Sciences, Magadan, Russia. AbstractThe Mongolic-speaking Kalmyks currently inhabiting the steppes of the Volga region have Central Asian ancestry and are organized into the tribal groups. The genetic relationships among these tribes and their origin have remained obscure. We analyzed 17 short tandem repeat and 44 binary polymorphisms of Y-chromosome in 426 individuals mainly from three major tribes of the Kalmyks (the Torguuds, Dörwöds and Khoshuuds). Among these tribes, the Dörwöds and Torguuds, as well as the Kalmyks collectively as an ethnic group, showed relatively close genetic affinities to each other and to the Mongols and Altaian Kazakhs, whereas the Khoshuuds were clearly separated from all of them, gathering with the Manchu, Tibetans or Evenks (depending on the algorithm used to calculate genetic distances). The genetic results also indicate that paternal gene flow from East Europeans to the Kalmyks is very little, despite their cohabitation in the North Caspian Steppe during the last 380 years. The occurrence of unique cluster of N1c-Tat haplotypes in the Khoshuuds, which dates to about 340 years and is likely to have East European ancestry, is considered as a result of interethnic contacts occurred soon after the appearance of the Kalmyk tribes in the Volga-Ural region.Journal of Human Genetics advance online publication, 17 October 2013; doi:10.1038/jhg.2013.108. PMID: 24132124 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

http://libgen.org/scimag5/10.1038/jhg.2013.108.pdf

Оказалось что Вы и Нурбол оказались правы.

Ушел с елим.кз, так как там администрация поддержала невменяемого Батыра, которые все мои ответы стирает: http://www.elim.kz/forum/index.php?showtopic=2703&pid=30426&st=2840entry30426 Он с чего то решил что все кто тестировался через проект открытый это его собственность и обещал подать в суд если я буду в дальнейшем использовать данные его проекта, забыв о том что вклад его в проект не особо велик (процентов 15, причем по большей части он не сам оплачивал людей, а привлекал людей, которые сами за себя платили), в то время как я лично в раза два с половиной данных завел туда (мною оплаченные),Это не считая других соадминов, которые также ввели каждый как минимум по 5 гаплотипов, а некоторые и по 30-40.

Жалко, что автор не отказался от своего ошибочного мнения о происхождении казахских ханов от Орда-эджена.

Самые интересные это люди Джингуцци. жили на месте где в последствии жили Дунху.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/13/216/abstract

http://rus.azattyq.org/content/istoricheskiye-dokumenty-tauke-khan/25120968.html

http://akipress.org/comments/news:13659

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B-b3KeGG3Un1WWU1Y09ieHlaM00/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1

Рахмет за информацию.

http://ytree.morleydna.com/predict

13 24 16 10 9-16 12 12 10 13 11 30 Его гаплотип

N113415 Ali R1a1a1 CTS10168+, CTS1034+, CTS10362+, CTS10436+, CTS10627+, CTS10713+, CTS10738+, CTS109+, CTS11085+, CTS11358+, CTS11411+, CTS11454+, CTS11575+, CTS11720+, CTS11726+, CTS11734+, CTS11844+, CTS12173+, CTS125+, CTS12632+, CTS1619+, CTS1996+, CTS2080+, CTS2223+, CTS230+, CTS2447+, CTS2907+, CTS295+, CTS3135+, CTS3234+, CTS3331+, CTS335+, CTS3358+, CTS3431+, CTS3536+, CTS3548+, CTS3647+, CTS3654+, CTS3662+, CTS3763+, CTS3868+, CTS3914+, CTS3996+, CTS4276+, CTS4364+, CTS4368+, CTS4437+, CTS4443+, CTS4623+, CTS4714+, CTS4740+, CTS477+, CTS5164+, CTS5318+, CTS5457+, CTS5458+, CTS5508+, CTS5532+, CTS5580+, CTS5884+, CTS6010+, CTS6135+, CTS6353+, CTS6383+, CTS6384+, CTS6800+, CTS6891+, CTS6907+, CTS7453+, CTS7492+, CTS7859+, CTS7922+, CTS7933+, CTS7951+, CTS8008+, CTS8133+, CTS8178+, CTS8243+, CTS8244+, CTS8851+, CTS8980+, CTS9096+, CTS947+, CTS9512+, CTS9548+, CTS9596+, CTS9754+, CTS9828+, F1019+, F1046+, F1050+, F1088+, F115+, F1173+, F1209+, F1221+, F1300+, F1302+, F1320+, F1327+, F1329+, F1345+, F1369+, F1704+, F1707+, F1714+, F1753+, F1754+, F1767+, F1769+, F180+, F1808+, F1831+, F1833+, F1842+, F1870+, F1882+, F2000+, F2048+, F2075+, F211+, F212+, F2137+, F2142+, F2150+, F2155+, F2177+, F2215+, F2223+, F2234+, F2402+, F2494+, F2503+, F2546+, F2587+, F2631+, F2684+, F2688+, F2710+, F2837+, F2845+, F2887+, F29+, F2901+, F2932+, F2935+, F2948+, F295+, F2957+, F2985+, F2993+, F2997+, F3035+, F3039+, F3044+, F3111+, F313+, F3136+, F3159+, F317+, F3185+, F3187+, F3194+, F3197+, F3225+, F33+, F332+, F3335+, F3337+, F3364+, F3394+, F3397+, F3398+, F344+, F3455+, F3466+, F3551+, F3556+, F356+, F3570+, F359+, F3644+, F3650+, F3692+, F375+, F378+, F3948+, F3965+, F4+, F4099+, F4131+, F4277+, F47+, F506+, F556+, F63+, F640+, F647+, F652+, F671+, F719+, F82+, F83+, F830+, F842+, F869+, F886+, F889+, F910+, F928+, F93+, F942+, F943+, F947+, F969+, F989+, L122+, L132+, L145+, L146+, L15+, L16+, L168+, L350+, L366+, L457+, L468+, L470+, L471+, L477+, L493+, L498+, L515+, L516+, L517+, L552+, L566+, L594+, L62+, L63+, L721+, L747+, L768+, L779+, L781+, L82+, M139+, M168+, M17+, M198+, M207+, M235+, M263+, M294+, M417+, M42+, M45+, M459+, M512+, M526+, M89+, M94+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P14+, P141+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P232+, P233+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P240+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P295+, PAGES00007+, PAGES00083+, PF1016+, PF1029+, PF1031+, PF1040+, PF1046+, PF1061+, PF1092+, PF1097+, PF110+, PF1203+, PF1269+, PF1276+, PF15+, PF192+, PF210+, PF212+, PF223+, PF234+, PF258+, PF2591+, PF2593+, PF2599+, PF2600+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2624+, PF263+, PF2631+, PF2643+, PF272+, PF2745+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF278+, PF292+, PF316+, PF325+, PF342+, PF4208+, PF4330+, PF500+, PF5061+, PF5465+, PF5468+, PF5471+, PF5851+, PF5853+, PF5854+, PF5865+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5887+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6007+, PF601+, PF6063+, PF6145+, PF6151+, PF6158+, PF6159+, PF6162+, PF6165+, PF6167+, PF6169+, PF6170+, PF6210+, PF6211+, PF6214+, PF6215+, PF6216+, PF6218+, PF667+, PF6868+, PF719+, PF720+, PF725+, PF7392+, PF7530+, PF7540+, PF7542+, PF779+, PF796+, PF803+, PF815+, PF821+, PF840+, PF844+, PF892+, PF937+, PF951+, PF954+, PF970+, V186+, V189+, V205+, V52+, V9+, YSC0000067+, YSC0000176+, YSC0000179+, YSC0000182+, YSC0000186+, YSC0000201+, YSC0000205+, YSC0000207+, YSC0000227+, YSC0000230+, YSC0000232+, YSC0000233+, YSC0000251+, YSC0000270+, YSC0000279+, YSC0000288+, Z148+, Z191+, Z365+, Z93+, Z94+

Лично нет, Но если там использовали общие или частные результаты по казахам, то меня могли включить в соавторы.

Рахмет за ссылку

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

Там датировок нет. И данная гаплогруппа не означает лесников и племена из леса.

Абстракт это короткое сообщение. там фактаж хороший, но интерпретация как всегда хромает. Я бы не связывал языки и гаплогруппы среди хунну.

Y chromosomes of ancient Hunnu people and its implication on the phylogeny of East Asian linguistic families. LL. Kang et al. The Hunnu (Xiongnu) people, also called Huns in Europe, were the largest ethnic group to the north of Han Chinese until the 5th century. The ethno-linguistic affiliation of the Hunnu is controversial among Yeniseian, Altaic, Uralic, and Indo-European. Ancient DNA analyses on the remains of the Hunnu people had shown some clues to this problem. Y chromosome haplogroups of Hunnu remains included Q-M242, N-Tat, C-M130, and R1a1. Recently, we analyzed three samples of Hunnu from Barköl, Xinjiang, China, and determined Q-M3 haplogroup. Therefore, most Y chromosomes of the Hunnu samples examined by multiple studies are belonging to the Q haplogroup. Q-M3 is mostly found in Yeniseian and American Indian peoples, suggesting that Hunnu should be in the Yeniseian family. The Y chromosome diversity is well associated with linguistic families in East Asia. According to the similarity in the Y chromosome profiles, there are four pairs of congenetic families, i.e., Austronesian and Tai-Kadai, Mon-Khmer and Hmong-Mien, Sino-Tibetan and Uralic, Yeniseian and Palaesiberian. Between 4,000-2,000 years before present, Tai-Kadai, Hmong-Mien, Sino-Tibetan, and Yeniseian languages transformed into toned analytic languages, becoming quite different from the rest four. Since Hunnu was in the Yeniseian family, all these four toned families were distributed in the inland of China during the transformations. There must be some social or biological factors induced the transformations at that time, which is worth doing more linguistic and genetic researches.

и что она означает?

Я так не считаю, ваша картина примитивна и убога. Все было гораздо сложнее на порядок.

Эта структура мт-днк казахов отвечает ли на этот вопрос рождения казахов от соблазнения монголом кипчачки? Вопрос примитивный и не научный. У одного народа не может быть родителей двух национальностей . Казахские мито собраны со всей Евразии, как и У-хромосомы, а не только ваша примитивная схема двух прародителей.