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http://www.kyrgyz.ru/forum/index.php?showt...amp;#entry52443 Вот ссылка на абстракт статьи.

Т.е. если так посудить этот кипчак имеют свою очень близкую родню в Европе, причем массово. (по коммерческим базам данных) Конечно можно сделать соответствующие выводы, но тут вообще возможны разные варианты, от адюльтера, генетической экспансии потомков кипчаков в Европе или наоборот, до возвратной мутации и т.д., так что поэтому я и пишу, что нужно дождаться других кипчаков. Также надо учесть, что в комерческих БД представлены в основном жители Запада, Евразия - это еще белое пятно в ДНК-генеалогии. Чем больше кипчаков будет в проекте, тем точнее можно будет рассчитать время жизни их общего предка или предков. Кстати как там насчет данных Хуснутдиновой, работа вышла или как? Там могут оказаться родственники казахского торы-кипчака. P.S. BashQort писал о том, что "среди башкир преобладает R1b, возможно где-то и R1b1b (Хуснутдинова говорила о R1b2 у восточных башкир, R1b2 = толи R1b1b, толи R1b1c1 все не разберусь никак)" "По башкирским Y работа в печати, скоро должна выйти. Есть некоторые очень интересные предварительные данные" Я эти данные не видел, будем ждать, чтобы сравнить их с остальными R1bишниками/

Жалко. А вообще известно что у киргиз арийского R1a очень много, думаю у монолдар, их окажеться не меньше.

Уважаемый Бектемир, а вы сами проходили ДНК-тест?

Есть ли какие-нибудь исследования по генеалогии клана Ширин.

Я спрошу, но надо иметь ввиду, что один результат еще не может служить основой для суждений. Будем ждать других кипчаков.

Результаты поиска по БД. BMWYJ Rael Lorca, Spain R1b1b2d (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 0 UE8RB tory-kypshak Kazakhstan R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 0 BBKFQ Williams Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorganshire/Glamorgan, Wales R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 0 RKVCT McAlary Kentucky, USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 0 HCXBC Davis McCracken, Kentucky, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 2S5YN Day North Carolina, USA R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 VQ9ZD Spence Waterford, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 QH6DW Boone North Carolina, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 T3BK4 Guess Orange County, North Carolina, USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 8SG6U QUIRK Isle of Man, England Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 EZQPC Peck HIgham, England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 P7WTV Easton England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 4466A Eve Peterborough, England Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 GYZCR Sweet Modbury, England Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 WG2AU Smith England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 XPYX8 Dittus Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 QTXZC Slusher Londorf, Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 JK3EH Show Lantz Weierhof, Germany R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 8WUYW Dittus Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 JXHAA Dittus Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 RZF5X Dittus Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 EART9 Show Krause Berlin, Germany R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 NHCAB Dittus Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 PV8R8 Sweet England Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 4EXTY Cunliffe Newchurch-in-Rossendale, England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 N9XUC Harrison England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 FSH5S Owen Woodstock, England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 B4668 Rix Letton, Norfolk, England R1b1b2g (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 U49J5 grant Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 92nrf Miller Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 KSMC4 Sweet Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 H5PU3 Day Unknown R1b* Other - Ancestry.com 12 1 SAUCZ Ramsey Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 QKMT3 McKee Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 Q594M Reddick Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 TKJAY Taylor Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 8V7VR Price Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 6RHAK Nichols Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 KBJWE Lumsden Unknown R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 Z5DHA Sweet Unknown R1b1b2* Family Tree DNA 12 1 U3SUN Day Unknown R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 ERABX Reddick Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 ZQ9WT Baily Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 NKBWC Evans Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 KSSDA Poe Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 UCPQJ Poor Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 6P3G9 Conn Unknown R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 YNP5V Show Peck Unknown R1b1b2h (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 8UESB Day Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 76PBF Hull Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 7VN9D Boone Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 NHB9F Kennedy Unknown Unknown DNA Heritage 12 1 8NN8E Poe Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 8V9K3 Douglass Unknown R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 SJADQ Swift Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 33FS9 Fish Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 3A6CW Show Moses Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 EGJ8J Reddick Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 525ST Anderson Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 X9CGR Johnston Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 CJT5M Russell Unknown R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 CGZE7 Private Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 9HP5T Grubbs Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 MCQJ5 Sweet Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 D8QRQ Hull Unknown R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 J8T8V Show Goode Unknown R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 A5KEN MODAL R-S116 Fractional DYS464X Unknown R1b1b2* Family Tree DNA 12 1 T3PBV Crawford Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 WRZBR Show Redditt Unknown R1b1* Family Tree DNA 12 1 DZY53 Bush Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 X6W2N Show Shaw Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 BV56N Abbott Unknown R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 BTRBZ Sweet Unknown Unknown Other - Genebase 12 1 BD87C Cocks Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 URH9M James Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 WU747 Mace Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 FAAEQ Day Unknown Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 TZXAU Kelley Unknown R1b1b2* Family Tree DNA 12 1 7X5RX Cameron Amherst, Nova Scotia, Canada Unknown Oxford Ancestors 12 1 W69XW Iversen Denmark Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 A953V Gomez Dominican Republic R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 M5T64 Butler Hampshire/Hantshaving, England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 WYTMS Kinney Cavan, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 F4MC7 Pacini florence, Italy Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 DN2V5 ciccolella Formia, Italy R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 PJQS7 Show La Passo San Fili, Italy R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 B33VS Chavez Zacatecas, Mexico R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 T57KK Silva Mexico R1b1b2* Family Tree DNA 12 1 AD6AK Vega Mexico Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 JBQV7 Rocha Mexico Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 XE65H RAMIREZ MENENDEZ Mexico R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 CKRCV Show Decker Netherlands R1b1b2 (tested) Ancestry.com 12 1 VTZS3 Kindig Walenvyl, Switzerland R1b* Other - National geographic 12 1 QHHZ5 McCoy USA Unknown DNA Heritage 12 1 MWF2A Toner Anderson, Indiana, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 ECEJA Show Badger USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 XVESU Morrow USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 JK6RT Cameron Casey USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 URJZR Pledger USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 75ZPF Sweet USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 58XB9 Plummer Frederick, Maryland, USA R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 FQAU7 Thompson Texas, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 MW94Y Show Badger Churchdown, Gloucestershire, England Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 K3H9G Sudhoff West Prussia/Westpreu?en, Germany Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 5FQQZ Overland Oslo, Norway Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 9A3VW Constantini Crete/ Chania, Greece R1b1* Family Tree DNA 12 1 ZYJWC Booher Pennsylvania, USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 9JXDX Birt Berwick, Pennsylvania, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 B83HB Show Cameron Upper Darby, Pennsylvania, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 WCYSH Curtis Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 JNFBW Guerin Poitier, France R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 B2AZC Show Heinle Bernhausen, Baden-W?rttenberg, Germany R1b* Family Tree DNA 12 1 SAGKD Young Scotland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 9EC7K Cameron Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 RE5CH Show MacPherson Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 2MHG9 Sloan Mahomet (Champaign Co) , IL, America R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 S9QBG Poe America R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 ZHMRM Ruiz Hebbronville, Texas, America R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 SFRG6 Show Raymond Quebec, Canada Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 6N8NN Cornell Quebec, Canada R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 VATD2 Slee Kirkby Stephen, Westmoreland, England R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 3YTBE Show LaRocque Nevers, France R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 9CX5G Fancher London, France R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 3QMVZ Guerin Poitier, France R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 YPDNZ ROTROU Cloey, France R1b* Family Tree DNA 12 1 DF9B8 Cameron Scotland R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 XKNTX McQuilken Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 D9K6F Reddick Delbatye, Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 MBNGN Show Cameron Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 7RZ3G Cameron Edinburgh, Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 MK39X Akins Scotland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 GY4RR Williamson Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 8MXZC Grant Perthshire ?, Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 66YN3 McDonald Unknown, Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 T4N9D McInnes Glasgow, Scotland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 2SCUT MacPherson Scotland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 NXZDB McKenzie Scotland R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 4WCP8 Goudie Shetland Isles, Scotland R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 CP3KY Clary United Kingdom R1b1b2* Family Tree DNA 12 1 XEAH8 Herold Ramsgate, United Kingdom R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 BGQGC Sweet Rhode Island, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 H6EXM Sweet Rhode Island, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 HBUP9 Sweet Glocester, Rhode Island, USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 RYZ7E Day Bertie County, South Carolina, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 CP9B9 Watkins South Carolina, USA R1b* Relative Genetics 12 1 RWF4T Garralda Arce, Spain R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 9XGG8 Calderon Spain R1b* Genographic Project 12 1 D6YHP Collada Spain R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 5U8YV Hidalgo Villadiego, Spain R1b (tested) Genographic Project 12 1 XT7EE Perez de Salazar Carmona, Spain R1b1* Family Tree DNA 12 1 XWCQK Talbot London, England R1b* Family Tree DNA 12 1 48589 Cameron Middlesex, England Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 F8S98 Whelan Laois/Laoighis, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 3HV57 Mclaughlin Armagh, Northern Ireland R1b* Other - genebase 12 1 XTWBT Sweet unknown, New York, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 6G5VB Slaughter Virginia, USA R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 2KQGH Blue Virginia, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 24KFP Bowles Virginia, USA Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 QVJKA Show Reed Virginia, USA R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 RTK36 Galvin Alberta, Canada R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 6N9MR Sweet Devon or Devonshire, England R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 SWVG6 Patterson Ulster, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 K627F Show Read Ulster, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 6626A JOHNSON Sweden R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 BSQMS McElroy Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 Q3SS5 Gilmore Drumcah, C. Louth, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 NFREP Byrnes Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 CTFX3 Stewart Ballyshannon County Donegal, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 KC43D Hayes CORK, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 APT6F Martin Castleblayney, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 2EHJX Glynn Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 J43T8 Show Kiely Ireland R1b1 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 VZKEY Smith Ireland R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 3KCKT McHale Cum, Lahardane, County Mayo, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 W9UQS Davis Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 Z6FWC Flannery Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 APPVH Kiely Tooraneena, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 N6FS8 Show Flannery Ballymalone, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 WSWKX Kinney Cavan, Ireland R1b1* Family Tree DNA 12 1 PK2HD STEWART Ballyshannon County Donegal, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 WHC5Q Denham Ireland R1b (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 KHW4G Buckley Cork, Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 9CPMB McElroy Ireland Unknown Family Tree DNA 12 1 G5BQD Byrne Unknown, Ireland R1b1b2 (tested) Family Tree DNA 12 1 MDFS9 Calvert Dumfries and Galloway, Scotland Unknown Other 12 1 Откуда взялась такая близкая родня непонятно. Результаты интересные будем ждать других результатов.

Вроде так и есть.

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Ознакомился с книгой. Кто как думает если фамилия приписана к уланской хоругви, обязана ли она быть из уланов (чингизидов)?

Спасибо.

Наполеон о Вертере - это типа содержание произведения?

Да с Батыем перемудрили.

Орхан Памук пример хорошего PR, когда писателя знают не по его произведениям, а по новостям.

Они самые.

Моголы, это те кто поддержал избрание Тоглук-Тимура, и среди которых правили его потомки. с 14 века до конца 17 века.

Крови чингиз-хана в нем не было, но по ДНК(мужская Y-хромосома), возможно он родня Чингиз-хану. http://www.kyrgyz.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=3113 Насчет моголов. Моя точка зрения, что моголы и монголы отличались, хотя бы по языку.

Спасибо постараюсь найти эту книгу. Если она у вас есть. Готов купить ее.

Тарковские из этого рода тарковских шаухалов (шамхалов)

Уважаемый Канишка, мне кажеться, что вы путаете монголов и моголов. 2. Бабура мать как выше указано была чингизидских кровей. А племя барлас, было из потомков Бодончара, как и сам чингиз-хан.

C нетерпением буду ждать сообщений о шаухалах из рода Бату. Не подскажите теперь на кого (какой письменный источник) можно сослаться. P.S. Вот бы взять у потомков Тарковских шаухалов ДНК-анализы и сравнить их с нашими казахскими Тука-Тимуридами.

спасибо за сведения.

Собрать бы ДНК-пробы всех этих меркитов, могли бы восстановить общий этногенез меркитов

Спасибо

У нас второй кипчак (торы-кипчак) тоже оказался R1b Подробности на http://www.elim.kz/forum/index.php?showtopic=2554&st=40