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Ну ильхан к этим топонимам отношения не имеет. он не Ленин. Аргунами были и ойрат аргун и некоторые другие.

Аргыны как арии-гунны это я уже слышал такое. Версия абсолютно надуманная.

Процитируйте пожалуйста дословно Махмуда кашгари

http://ksunne.ru/raznoe/data.htm

При Караханидах, карлуках и тюргешах аргынов не существовало.

Факт связи руники тюрков и тамг не доказан. вы все буквы руники видели? Можете сравнить их с тамгами казахов?

Я не отказываю в том, что те могли быть аргынами из Дешта, мне интересен механизм попадания племени к Тимуру. Вполне возможно Зунунубек был потомком наших Аргынов, а не ильхана, версия о ильханском происхождении зафиксирована еще в 16 веке (читал в Истории синда) Скорее всего это просто попытка была легитимизировать власть Шах-беком сыном Зунунбека.

Тема про Мордву также объединена с аналогичной темой

Объединил темы про финнов, угров, самодийцев в три темы.

Генеалогия Зуннунбека (5-7 предков) выкладывал где-то на форуме, а сейчас найти не могу.

Хотелось бы знать происходит ли Зунун бек Аргун от того аргына, который служил тимуру.

Авторитет, просто хотелось бы сверить с временами уже после Тимура.

Надо Муизз ал Ансаб посмотреть на предмет наличия аргын среди эмиров тимура и вообще Тимуридов.

Спасибо за ссылку.

Подскажите кто знает к какому подроду (тортаул (куандык, бегендык, суюндык, шегендык) или токал-аргын(сарыжетим, шакшак)) относятся таз, акназар, шымболат, шокамай, бекимбет, алимбет, олжа, караман, ожан, карамойын, сазан, байтапсы, кырыкмылтык, толек, тагышы, акташы, конырбай из Торгая.

Пять новых гаплогрупп мтДНК найдено в Китае благодаря накоплению большой статистики - 6093 образца от 84 популяций. Large-scale mtDNA screening reveals a surprising matrilineal complexity in East Asia and its implications to the peopling of the region Qing-Peng Kong1,2,*, Chang Sun1, Hua-Wei Wang3, Mian Zhao1,2, Wen-Zhi Wang1,2, Li Zhong3, Xiao-Dan Hao1,2, Hui Pan1,2, Sha-Yan Wang4, Yao-Ting Cheng1,2, Chun-Ling Zhu1, Shi-Fang Wu1, Li-Na Liu1, Jie-Qiong Jin1, Yong-Gang Yao5 and Ya-Ping Zhang1,2,3,* 1 State Key Laboratory of Genetic Resources and Evolution, Kunming Institute of Zoology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Kunming 650223, China 2 KIZ/CUHK Joint Laboratory of Bioresources and Molecular Research in Common Diseases, Kunming 650223, China 3 Laboratory for Conservation and Utilization of Bio-resource, Yunnan University, Kunming 650091, China 4 Shenzhen People's Hospital, Clinical Medical College of Jinan University, Shenzhen 518020, China 5 Key Laboratory of Animal Models and Human Disease Mechanisms, Kunming Institute of Zoology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Kunming 650223, China * Address for correspondence and reprints: Dr. Qing-Peng Kong E-mail: kongqp@yahoo.com.cn, Tel: +86 0871-519 7967, Fax: +86 0871-519 7967, or Dr. Ya-Ping Zhang, E-mail: zhangyp@mail.kiz.ac.cn, Tel: +86 0871-519 0761, Fax: +86 0871-519 5430 Received for publication March 4, 2010. Accepted for publication August 10, 2010. In order to achieve a thorough coverage of the basal lineages in the Chinese matrilineal pool, we have sequenced the mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) control region and partial coding-region segments of 6,093 mtDNAs sampled from 84 populations across China. By comparing with the available complete mtDNA sequences, 194 of those mtDNAs could not be firmly assigned into the available haplogroups. Completely sequencing 51 representatives selected from these unclassified mtDNAs identified a number of novel lineages, including five novel basal haplogroups that directly emanate from the Eurasian founder nodes (M and N). No matrilineal contribution from the archaic hominid was observed. Subsequent analyses suggested that these newly identified basal lineages likely represent the genetic relics of modern humans initially peopling East Asia, instead of being the results of gene flow from the neighboring regions. The observation that most of the newly recognized mtDNA lineages have already differentiated and show the highest genetic diversity in southern China provided additional evidence in support of the Southern-Route peopling hypothesis of East Asians. Specifically, the enrichment of most of the basal lineages in southern China and their rather ancient ages in Late Pleistocene further suggested that this region was likely the genetic reservoir of modern humans after they entered East Asia. http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/msq219v1

Гитлер - представитель гаплогруппы E1b1b. Если кому интересно: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Jackbowk@aol.com Subject: [DNA] Did Hitler belong...? Hitler's father was Alois, ne' Shicklgruber, who was illegitimate, and carried his mother's (Maria) surname. The doubt otherwise is whether his bio father was the man who later married his mother, Georg Hiedler. Alois himself changed the surname to Hitler. There has been surmise the 'Hitler' was a clerical error re Hiedler>Hitler but some think that's a mistake that would have been corrected. So there's a whiff of onion about the 'Hitler' spelling. [Hiedler had a brother who spelled the name HUTTLER (the U had an umlaut-sorry). Hiedler later was declared by the authorities to be Alois' bio father but neither mother nor father ever acknowledged this.] Alois was a 'street angel'; and a 'house devil' it appears. He did well professionally but was a drinker and terror at home. Nevertheless, women seemed fascinated. He had an illegitimate son who died early, married another woman, Anna, while having a mistress or likely two (incl Klara), married again, Fanni, and had two children [Alois Jr - before the marriage - & Angela] while keeping Klara and another mistress. Widowed again, he married Klara and they had six children, of whom Adolf was the fourth, the last being Paula. [The first three died young, Gustav (born five months after the marriage) & Ida from diptheria, Otto shortly after birth. The fifth child, Edmund, died young of measles.] Alois Jr traveled to Ireland, where he met and married Bridget. They moved to Liverpool and had a son William Patrick Hitler in 1911. Alois moved to Germany and WW I began, keeping the damily apart. However, Alois then committed bigamy and Bridget was out of his life. Ultimately he moved to Berlin and opened a bar/keller which was very popular with the Nazis of course. Angela became Adolf's housekeeper for many years. William Patrick Hitler visited Germany often but finally decided he was an anti-Nazi and moved to the USA in 1939. He in turn had four sons, living under assumed names and have remained unmarried rather than continue the line. So tracing the Hitler Y would be possible with these man on Long Island, or any males from the Hiedler/Huettler lines, which would have to be compared with that of Alois Junior's descendants in the USA. [Angela had children but the one son would be excluded of course. The next child, Geli, was the one who committed suicide, with whom Adolf was rumored to have had an affair. Another daughter had a son. Paula had no children.]

Рецензия на статью А.А. Алиева и С.А. Барр-Кумаракуласингха «Откуда в Индии арии? Три ответа на один вопрос» http://rjgg.molgen.org/index.php/RJGGRE/article/view/70

Методологические замечания к статье С. Каржавина «Роль калмыков в формировании генетического портрета казахского этноса. Опыт имитационного моделирования исторического развития популяций» http://rjgg.molgen.org/index.php/RJGGRE/article/view/69

Вполне возможно сын Зуннубека приписался к ильхану Аргуну, судя по их генеалогии он и его предки служили тимуридам давно.

Происхождение топонимов IX - начала XIII вв. вряд ли связано с племенем аргун. Просто тезки.

Они похожи на германские руны. связь есть?

Не скрывают. Вот вы результаты точные знаете? Они просто их не знают как и все .

1. Переместил тему Евразизм Его сущность в государство и право. 2. Переместил Бэй-ван Шархода и его сын Бахай Материалы к биографии - нужны! в ЖЗЛ.

были аргануты, но упоминаний очень мало. Читал у Юдина.