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Құрбан айт мейрамы құтты болсын!!!

Посмотрим, какие данные будут.

Сабитов Ж.М. Политическая история Улуса Джучи в 1256–1263 годах//Золотоордынское обозрение. Казань. № 2. 2015. С. 51-64 https://www.academia.edu/15785692/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%96.%D0%9C._%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B8_%D0%B2_1256_1263_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5._%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C._2._2015._%D0%A1._51-64

Сабитов Ж.М. Политическая история Улуса Джучи в 1256–1263 годах//Золотоордынское обозрение. Казань. № 2. 2015. С. 51-64 https://www.academia.edu/15785692/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%96.%D0%9C._%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A3%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B0_%D0%94%D0%B6%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B8_%D0%B2_1256_1263_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B0%D1%85_%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B4%D1%8B%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B5_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5._%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%8C._2._2015._%D0%A1._51-64

Рахмет за ссылку

Интересно ногайский Манашы имеет отношение к Манасу?

Каркын это аргын? Нет это созвучие

Скорее всего это ветвь кунгиратов

Они там оказались, потом захватили Жетису.

1. Потому что традиция иметь тюркское и мусульманское имя была у казахов. От узбека, который мухаммед и Джанибека который Махмуд, заканчивая Мухаммед Ханафией, который Шокан и Ибрагима, который Абай. 2. Потому что его звали Керей. 3. Моголистан это улус Чагатая а не улус Джучи.

http://yvision.kz/post/539288

http://yvision.kz/post/539288

Темы про кереитов слиты в одну.

Сабитов Ж.М. Политическая деятельность Абулхаир-хана в Восточном Дешт-и Кипчаке в 20-60-е годы XV века//Сибирский сборник: сборник статей/отв. ред. Д. Н. Маслюженко, З. А. Тычинских. Курган: Изд-во Курганского гос. ун-та, 2015. Вып. 3. C. 135-145. https://www.academia.edu/15503791/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%96.%D0%9C._%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%80-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%88%D1%82-%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B2_20-60-%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B_XV_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B2._%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4._%D0%94._%D0%9D._%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%97._%D0%90._%D0%A2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85._%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%B4-%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81._%D1%83%D0%BD-%D1%82%D0%B0_2015._%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%BF._3._C._135-145

Сабитов Ж.М. Политическая деятельность Абулхаир-хана в Восточном Дешт-и Кипчаке в 20-60-е годы XV века//Сибирский сборник: сборник статей/отв. ред. Д. Н. Маслюженко, З. А. Тычинских. Курган: Изд-во Курганского гос. ун-та, 2015. Вып. 3. C. 135-145. https://www.academia.edu/15503791/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%96.%D0%9C._%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%80-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%88%D1%82-%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B2_20-60-%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B_XV_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B2._%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4._%D0%94._%D0%9D._%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%97._%D0%90._%D0%A2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85._%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%B4-%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81._%D1%83%D0%BD-%D1%82%D0%B0_2015._%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%BF._3._C._135-145

Сабитов Ж.М. Политическая деятельность Абулхаир-хана в Восточном Дешт-и Кипчаке в 20-60-е годы XV века//Сибирский сборник: сборник статей/отв. ред. Д. Н. Маслюженко, З. А. Тычинских. Курган: Изд-во Курганского гос. ун-та, 2015. Вып. 3. C. 135-145. https://www.academia.edu/15503791/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%96.%D0%9C._%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%80-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%88%D1%82-%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B2_20-60-%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B_XV_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B2._%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4._%D0%94._%D0%9D._%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%97._%D0%90._%D0%A2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85._%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%B4-%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81._%D1%83%D0%BD-%D1%82%D0%B0_2015._%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%BF._3._C._135-145

Сабитов Ж.М. Политическая деятельность Абулхаир-хана в Восточном Дешт-и Кипчаке в 20-60-е годы XV века//Сибирский сборник: сборник статей/отв. ред. Д. Н. Маслюженко, З. А. Тычинских. Курган: Изд-во Курганского гос. ун-та, 2015. Вып. 3. C. 135-145. https://www.academia.edu/15503791/%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%96.%D0%9C._%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C_%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8%D1%80-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC_%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%88%D1%82-%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%87%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B5_%D0%B2_20-60-%D0%B5_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B_XV_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%A1%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B2._%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4._%D0%94._%D0%9D._%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BB%D1%8E%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BA%D0%BE_%D0%97._%D0%90._%D0%A2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85._%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%B4-%D0%B2%D0%BE_%D0%9A%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%81._%D1%83%D0%BD-%D1%82%D0%B0_2015._%D0%92%D1%8B%D0%BF._3._C._135-145

Такое часто бывает.

Керей по ДНК вообще не близок кереитам. Да и выпадение Т нигде больше не встречается. Нет отдельно мангов и мангытов, кунгуров и кунгратов и т.д.

Ну ДНК только современных кереитов есть. И я думаю они восходят к средневековых кереитам.

генетика вещь упрямая. Кереи и кереиты не совпадают по субкладам. Кереи старкластер, а кереиты близкий но не старкластер

Кереи и Кереиты это разные племена имеющие разные субклады. Кереи не имеют P53, кереиты имеют

Кажется ваш днк тестированный казах-керейт P53. Да, и их немного. Менее 2 % от всех казахов. Причем этот субклад находили в захоронениях Дунху и он близок классическим нирунам.

Chao Ning et al. Abstract The human Y-chromosome haplogroup O-M134 is one of the most abundant paternal lineages in East Asian populations, comprising ~13% of Han Chinese males, and also common in Kazakh, Korean, Japanese, Thai and so on. Despite its considerable prevalence, its current substructure is poorly resolved with only one downstream marker (M117) previously investigated. Here we address this deficiency by investigating some single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) previously reported being potentially associated with O-M134 based on high-throughput DNA-sequencing data. Using a panel of 1301 Chinese males we first identified 154 haplogroup O-M134 subjects. We then investigated the phylogenetic structure within this haplogroup using 10 SNPs (F444, F629, F3451, F46, F48, F209, F2887, F3386, F1739 and F152). Two major branches were identified, O-M117 and O-F444 and the latter was further divided into two main subclades, O-F629 and O-F3451, accounting for 10.84 and 0.92% of the Han Chinese, respectively. This update of O-M134 diversification permits better resolution of male lineages in population studies of East Asia. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2015183a.html

Chao Ning et al. Abstract The human Y-chromosome haplogroup O-M134 is one of the most abundant paternal lineages in East Asian populations, comprising ~13% of Han Chinese males, and also common in Kazakh, Korean, Japanese, Thai and so on. Despite its considerable prevalence, its current substructure is poorly resolved with only one downstream marker (M117) previously investigated. Here we address this deficiency by investigating some single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) previously reported being potentially associated with O-M134 based on high-throughput DNA-sequencing data. Using a panel of 1301 Chinese males we first identified 154 haplogroup O-M134 subjects. We then investigated the phylogenetic structure within this haplogroup using 10 SNPs (F444, F629, F3451, F46, F48, F209, F2887, F3386, F1739 and F152). Two major branches were identified, O-M117 and O-F444 and the latter was further divided into two main subclades, O-F629 and O-F3451, accounting for 10.84 and 0.92% of the Han Chinese, respectively. This update of O-M134 diversification permits better resolution of male lineages in population studies of East Asia. http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/vaop/ncurrent/abs/ejhg2015183a.html