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Признак недалекого ума, всю генеральную совокупность брать под одну гребенку. Среди казахов тупых и упрямых не больше чем среди калмыков монголов и других народов мира

В среднем Биг У показывает 1 мутацию на 4 поколения.

После этих статей я думаю будет мало людей, утверждающих что аргыны не от Караходжи происходят.

Наконец, опубликована статья по гаплогруппе G1, включая ценные данные по казахам-аргынам. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0122968 Deep Phylogenetic Analysis of Haplogroup G1 Provides Estimates of SNP and STR Mutation Rates on the Human Y-Chromosome and Reveals Migrations of Iranic Speakers Abstract Y-chromosomal haplogroup G1 is a minor component of the overall gene pool of South-West and Central Asia but reaches up to 80% frequency in some populations scattered within this area. We have genotyped the G1-defining marker M285 in 27 Eurasian populations (n= 5,346), analyzed 367 M285-positive samples using 17 Y-STRs, and sequenced ~11 Mb of the Y-chromosome in 20 of these samples to an average coverage of 67X. This allowed detailed phylogenetic reconstruction. We identified five branches, all with high geographical specificity: G1-L1323 in Kazakhs, the closely related G1-GG1 in Mongols, G1-GG265 in Armenians and its distant brother clade G1-GG162 in Bashkirs, and G1-GG362 in West Indians. The haplotype diversity, which decreased from West Iran to Central Asia, allows us to hypothesize that this rare haplogroup could have been carried by the expansion of Iranic speakers northwards to the Eurasian steppe and via founder effects became a predominant genetic component of some populations, including the Argyn tribe of the Kazakhs. The remarkable agreement between genetic and genealogical trees of Argyns allowed us to calibrate the molecular clock using a historical date (1405 AD) of the most recent common genealogical ancestor. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal sequence data obtained was 0.78×10-9 per bp per year, falling within the range of published rates. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal STRs was 0.0022 per locus per generation, very close to the so-called genealogical rate. The “clan-based” approach to estimating the mutation rate provides a third, middle way between direct farther-to-son comparisons and using archeologically known migrations, whose dates are subject to revision and of uncertain relationship to genetic events.

Наконец, опубликована статья по гаплогруппе G1, включая ценные данные по казахам-аргынам. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0122968 Deep Phylogenetic Analysis of Haplogroup G1 Provides Estimates of SNP and STR Mutation Rates on the Human Y-Chromosome and Reveals Migrations of Iranic Speakers Abstract Y-chromosomal haplogroup G1 is a minor component of the overall gene pool of South-West and Central Asia but reaches up to 80% frequency in some populations scattered within this area. We have genotyped the G1-defining marker M285 in 27 Eurasian populations (n= 5,346), analyzed 367 M285-positive samples using 17 Y-STRs, and sequenced ~11 Mb of the Y-chromosome in 20 of these samples to an average coverage of 67X. This allowed detailed phylogenetic reconstruction. We identified five branches, all with high geographical specificity: G1-L1323 in Kazakhs, the closely related G1-GG1 in Mongols, G1-GG265 in Armenians and its distant brother clade G1-GG162 in Bashkirs, and G1-GG362 in West Indians. The haplotype diversity, which decreased from West Iran to Central Asia, allows us to hypothesize that this rare haplogroup could have been carried by the expansion of Iranic speakers northwards to the Eurasian steppe and via founder effects became a predominant genetic component of some populations, including the Argyn tribe of the Kazakhs. The remarkable agreement between genetic and genealogical trees of Argyns allowed us to calibrate the molecular clock using a historical date (1405 AD) of the most recent common genealogical ancestor. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal sequence data obtained was 0.78×10-9 per bp per year, falling within the range of published rates. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal STRs was 0.0022 per locus per generation, very close to the so-called genealogical rate. The “clan-based” approach to estimating the mutation rate provides a third, middle way between direct farther-to-son comparisons and using archeologically known migrations, whose dates are subject to revision and of uncertain relationship to genetic events.

Наконец, опубликована статья по гаплогруппе G1, включая ценные данные по казахам-аргынам. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0122968 Deep Phylogenetic Analysis of Haplogroup G1 Provides Estimates of SNP and STR Mutation Rates on the Human Y-Chromosome and Reveals Migrations of Iranic Speakers Abstract Y-chromosomal haplogroup G1 is a minor component of the overall gene pool of South-West and Central Asia but reaches up to 80% frequency in some populations scattered within this area. We have genotyped the G1-defining marker M285 in 27 Eurasian populations (n= 5,346), analyzed 367 M285-positive samples using 17 Y-STRs, and sequenced ~11 Mb of the Y-chromosome in 20 of these samples to an average coverage of 67X. This allowed detailed phylogenetic reconstruction. We identified five branches, all with high geographical specificity: G1-L1323 in Kazakhs, the closely related G1-GG1 in Mongols, G1-GG265 in Armenians and its distant brother clade G1-GG162 in Bashkirs, and G1-GG362 in West Indians. The haplotype diversity, which decreased from West Iran to Central Asia, allows us to hypothesize that this rare haplogroup could have been carried by the expansion of Iranic speakers northwards to the Eurasian steppe and via founder effects became a predominant genetic component of some populations, including the Argyn tribe of the Kazakhs. The remarkable agreement between genetic and genealogical trees of Argyns allowed us to calibrate the molecular clock using a historical date (1405 AD) of the most recent common genealogical ancestor. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal sequence data obtained was 0.78×10-9 per bp per year, falling within the range of published rates. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal STRs was 0.0022 per locus per generation, very close to the so-called genealogical rate. The “clan-based” approach to estimating the mutation rate provides a third, middle way between direct farther-to-son comparisons and using archeologically known migrations, whose dates are subject to revision and of uncertain relationship to genetic events.

Наконец, опубликована статья по гаплогруппе G1, включая ценные данные по казахам-аргынам. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0122968 Deep Phylogenetic Analysis of Haplogroup G1 Provides Estimates of SNP and STR Mutation Rates on the Human Y-Chromosome and Reveals Migrations of Iranic Speakers Abstract Y-chromosomal haplogroup G1 is a minor component of the overall gene pool of South-West and Central Asia but reaches up to 80% frequency in some populations scattered within this area. We have genotyped the G1-defining marker M285 in 27 Eurasian populations (n= 5,346), analyzed 367 M285-positive samples using 17 Y-STRs, and sequenced ~11 Mb of the Y-chromosome in 20 of these samples to an average coverage of 67X. This allowed detailed phylogenetic reconstruction. We identified five branches, all with high geographical specificity: G1-L1323 in Kazakhs, the closely related G1-GG1 in Mongols, G1-GG265 in Armenians and its distant brother clade G1-GG162 in Bashkirs, and G1-GG362 in West Indians. The haplotype diversity, which decreased from West Iran to Central Asia, allows us to hypothesize that this rare haplogroup could have been carried by the expansion of Iranic speakers northwards to the Eurasian steppe and via founder effects became a predominant genetic component of some populations, including the Argyn tribe of the Kazakhs. The remarkable agreement between genetic and genealogical trees of Argyns allowed us to calibrate the molecular clock using a historical date (1405 AD) of the most recent common genealogical ancestor. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal sequence data obtained was 0.78×10-9 per bp per year, falling within the range of published rates. The mutation rate for Y-chromosomal STRs was 0.0022 per locus per generation, very close to the so-called genealogical rate. The “clan-based” approach to estimating the mutation rate provides a third, middle way between direct farther-to-son comparisons and using archeologically known migrations, whose dates are subject to revision and of uncertain relationship to genetic events.

Андрей Ланьков. Откуда есть пошла корейская земля. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtkTqe_ZljA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8eRm_uTUO8

что-то не пойму как скачать статью.. а внутри старкластера Айсинь Гиоро кому близки? Есть препринт Yan et al House of Aisin Gioro is the imperial family of the last dynasty in Chinese history – Qing Dynasty (1644 – 1911). Aisin Gioro family originated from Jurchen tribes and developed the Manchu people before they conquered China. By investigating the Y chromosomal short tandem repeats (STRs) of 7 modern male individuals who claim belonging to Aisin Gioro family (in which 3 have full records of pedigree), we found that 3 of them (in which 2 keep full pedigree, whose most recent common ancestor is Nurgaci) shows very close relationship (1 – 2 steps of difference in 17 STR) and the haplotype is rare. We therefore conclude that this haplotype is the Y chromosome of the House of Aisin Gioro. Further tests of single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) indicates that they belong to Haplogroup C3b2b1*‐M401(xF5483), although their Y‐STR results are distant to the “star cluster”, which also belongs to the same haplogroup. This study forms the base for the pedigree research of the imperial family of Qing Dynasty by means of genetics. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1412/1412.6274.pdf что-то в статье на мой взгляд уж слишком схематично все.. а внутри старкластера этот императорский род к какому из субкладов старкластера близок? или по 17 маркерам судить еще невозможно? Там субклад определен, просто вопрос у кого эти субклады есть еще M401 имеется ввиду и еще один SNP- чуть ниже

что-то не пойму как скачать статью.. а внутри старкластера Айсинь Гиоро кому близки? Есть препринт Yan et al House of Aisin Gioro is the imperial family of the last dynasty in Chinese history – Qing Dynasty (1644 – 1911). Aisin Gioro family originated from Jurchen tribes and developed the Manchu people before they conquered China. By investigating the Y chromosomal short tandem repeats (STRs) of 7 modern male individuals who claim belonging to Aisin Gioro family (in which 3 have full records of pedigree), we found that 3 of them (in which 2 keep full pedigree, whose most recent common ancestor is Nurgaci) shows very close relationship (1 – 2 steps of difference in 17 STR) and the haplotype is rare. We therefore conclude that this haplotype is the Y chromosome of the House of Aisin Gioro. Further tests of single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) indicates that they belong to Haplogroup C3b2b1*‐M401(xF5483), although their Y‐STR results are distant to the “star cluster”, which also belongs to the same haplogroup. This study forms the base for the pedigree research of the imperial family of Qing Dynasty by means of genetics. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1412/1412.6274.pdf что-то в статье на мой взгляд уж слишком схематично все.. а внутри старкластера этот императорский род к какому из субкладов старкластера близок? или по 17 маркерам судить еще невозможно? Думаю,что айсин гирэй близок к субкладу АКБ. Даже не глядя так думаете. Не разбираясь в гаплотипах и субкладах, заявлять такое это показатель полного дилетантизма.

Зачем мне завидовать родственнику маньчжуров.Я порадуюсь за АКБ. Эти маньчжуры имеют монгольское точнее нирунское происхождение. У вас же я думаю нирунского происхождения нет, поэтому завидуете и пишите всякие гадости. Тогда позвольте вас назвать арабам? Может арабом хотели написать? Если сами протестируйтесь в ФТДНА, и выложите сюда свои результаты то можете меня арабом называть, а так мы в неравных условиях. хотя пребывание моих предков среди южноазиатских народов (арабы ли это не знаю) не было таким уж долговременным думаю, предки R1a-Z93 все таки из степей Евразии вышли

что-то не пойму как скачать статью.. а внутри старкластера Айсинь Гиоро кому близки? Есть препринт Yan et al House of Aisin Gioro is the imperial family of the last dynasty in Chinese history – Qing Dynasty (1644 – 1911). Aisin Gioro family originated from Jurchen tribes and developed the Manchu people before they conquered China. By investigating the Y chromosomal short tandem repeats (STRs) of 7 modern male individuals who claim belonging to Aisin Gioro family (in which 3 have full records of pedigree), we found that 3 of them (in which 2 keep full pedigree, whose most recent common ancestor is Nurgaci) shows very close relationship (1 – 2 steps of difference in 17 STR) and the haplotype is rare. We therefore conclude that this haplotype is the Y chromosome of the House of Aisin Gioro. Further tests of single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) indicates that they belong to Haplogroup C3b2b1*‐M401(xF5483), although their Y‐STR results are distant to the “star cluster”, which also belongs to the same haplogroup. This study forms the base for the pedigree research of the imperial family of Qing Dynasty by means of genetics. http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1412/1412.6274.pdf

Зачем мне завидовать родственнику маньчжуров.Я порадуюсь за АКБ. Эти маньчжуры имеют монгольское точнее нирунское происхождение. У вас же я думаю нирунского происхождения нет, поэтому завидуете и пишите всякие гадости.

С3 старкластер изначально это гаплотип присущий нирунам. Писмэйкер не завидуйте обладателям старкластера

Ведь они же тоже из рода кереи.На сколько они близки старкластеру АКБ? Старкластер это нируны по своему происхождению. Никаких кереев среди Цинов нет. А кто они тогда? Kere Hala (Sinicized: 克哷氏) Kerit Hala (Sinicized: 克哩特氏) Keyere Hala (Sinicized: 克叶哷氏) Тезки, Не все Петровы происходят от Петра первого

Ведь они же тоже из рода кереи.На сколько они близки старкластеру АКБ? Старкластер это нируны по своему происхождению. Никаких кереев среди Цинов нет.

Если вы видели ссылку выше, то увидите, что династия Цин относится к старкластеру то есть имеет явно происхождение от родственников Чингиз-хана, не смотря на то что они манчжуры.

Писмэйкер так страстно хочет казахов назвать маньчжурами и тунгусами, но просто не знает или делает вид что не знает, что данный субклад возник за много тысяч лет до возникновения как тюрков так и манчжуров и монголов и этот субклад гораздо широе чем тунгусо-манчжуры, Калмыкров на основе этого нельзя называть маньчжурами, хоть у них С3с больше чем у казахов

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Про династию из Золотоордынского рода Аргын в Синде (Индия) Описание восточных летописей из архивов Узбекистана. Особенно заинтересовало из нового (чего не знал): ТАРХАН-НАМЕ Книга о тарханах Время написания сочинения: Труд создан на персидском языке в 1065/1654-55 году. Сведения об авторе: Саййид Мухаммад ибн Мир Джалал ад-Дин ал-Хусайни аш-Ширази составил свой труд по поручению Мирзы Мухаммад Салих-тархана. Структура и содержание: Сочинение посвящено истории и генеалогииаргунских ханов и тарханов Синда, ведших свой род от Чингизида, ильхана Аргун-хана (683/1284-85-690/1291). Ценность как источника: История правителей Чингизидов в Туркестане, Туране и Иране из рода аргунов. Сведения о рукописи: 1. Список под номером 2963 (77листов) переписан в 1128/1716 году https://www.academia.edu/6396323/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B4_%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%90%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%BA_%D0%A0%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%A3%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD._%D0%90%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%A0%D0%93%D0%A3_%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%80_%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B8_%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_2013._154_%D1%81

бред это.

Такого кластера нет вообще ни у одного народа.