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У них этот субклад но какой кластер не понятно еще

ПалеоДНк по жужаням https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491 The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou First published: 21 April 2018 https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491 Abstract Objectives Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran. Materials and methods The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual. Results The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017). Discussion We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

ПалеоДНк по жужаням https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491 The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou First published: 21 April 2018 https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491 Abstract Objectives Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran. Materials and methods The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual. Results The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017). Discussion We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

ПалеоДНК по жужаням https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu populationJiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui ZhouFirst published: 21 April 2018https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491AbstractObjectivesFollowing the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran.Materials and methodsThe mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual.ResultsThe mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017).DiscussionWe conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

Темиргалиев Р.Дж. О РАННЕЙ ИСТОРИИ НАРОДА КАНЦЗЮЙ https://www.academia.edu/36477376/О_РАННЕЙ_ИСТОРИИ_НАРОДА_КАНЦЗЮЙ

Темиргалиев Р.Дж. О РАННЕЙ ИСТОРИИ НАРОДА КАНЦЗЮЙ https://www.academia.edu/36477376/О_РАННЕЙ_ИСТОРИИ_НАРОДА_КАНЦЗЮЙ

Темиргалиев Р.Дж. О РАННЕЙ ИСТОРИИ НАРОДА КАНЦЗЮЙ https://www.academia.edu/36477376/О_РАННЕЙ_ИСТОРИИ_НАРОДА_КАНЦЗЮЙ

Я бы не связывал гаплогруппу и языки

Я помню там старкластер у них разбирали или вы другую статью имеете в виду?

огузы которые на территории Казахстана были

Это не гипотеза, когда напишите статью с аргументами будет гипотезой, а так фантазии. Язык и У-хромосома по разному передается. И слово кластер используется если провели кластерный анализ и выявили кластер. Пока я не вижу, что вы кластером называете. Только фантазии.

фантазии, как и С-М407 монгольский маркер

Да, но оно более вероятно чем от огузов, тем более учитывая что такого маркера там минимум думаю менее 0,5 % точно

У китайцев в абсолютном количестве больше всего этого субклада плюс разнообразие больше всего. Есть и у корейцев и даже японцев. Так что не надо языки к гаплогруппам приклеивать.

Я такого не помню, скажите у турков эта гаплогруппа составляет 0,1 % или 0,01 %? По моему у них это минимум и если есть это могло прийти от ногайцев

Это примитивная логика, Данный субклад возник десятки тысяч лет назад, неужели вы думаете что он был только у монголоязычных вплоть до средневековья?

Это будет историческая статья, ставки туда не принимаются П.С. Даже если бы принимались это очень маловероятный субклад для огузов

Это была моя провокация )) На нее купились

Клесов этих "арийцев" от славян 8 века производит

)) пока статью не напишу, свою точку озвучивать не буду

А еще его самое больше в Китае, среди китайцев, причем там куча разных субкладов и самое большое разнообразие Так что не надо приравнивать данный огромный субклад к языкам

Сабитов Ж.М. Происхождение термина Алаш//Global Turk. #1/2. 2018. C. 131-139. https://www.academia.edu/36476233/Сабитов_Ж.М._Происхождение_термина_Алаш_Global_Turk._1_2._2018._C._131-139

Ок. А Тохтамыш может входить в Тастемир?

Сабитов Ж.М. Происхождение термина Алаш//Global Turk. #1/2. 2018. C. 131-139. https://www.academia.edu/36476233/Сабитов_Ж.М._Происхождение_термина_Алаш_Global_Turk._1_2._2018._C._131-139

Сабитов Ж.М. Происхождение термина Алаш//Global Turk. #1/2. 2018. C. 131-139. https://www.academia.edu/36476233/Сабитов_Ж.М._Происхождение_термина_Алаш_Global_Turk._1_2._2018._C._131-139