ДНК-проект: общие вопросы

[asan-kaygy]

Довольно интересный ДНК-проект:

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[Serali]

Оплатил за первого ногай-казаха. 12 маркеров

Не эль?

[asan-kaygy]

Сказал что калпак.

[Farroukh]

Пожалуйста!

[Farroukh]

есть ли разница какие у тебя гены или это дает в чем то преимущество?!

Знание вашей Y-гаплогруппы позволяет сказать, из какого региона были ваши предки по мужской линии и кто из современных людей является вашим родственником по мужской линии.

[Гордий]

есть ли разница какие у тебя гены или это дает в чем то преимущество?!

От митохондриальной ДНК зивисит скорость развития СПИДа,еще слышал,что от У-гаплогрупп зависит распространенность импотенции у мужчин.

[Farroukh]

Гордий, это пока непроверенная информация. Если все мужчины определённой Y-гаплогруппы - импотенты, то такая гаплогруппа исчезает сама собой

По причине отсутствия своего продолжения

[Гордий]

Да,я это понимаю.Я имел в виду,что проводятся исследования по частоте распространения импотенции у представителей разных гаплогрупп.Все-же исследований больше,если не ошибаюсь,с митохондриальной ДНК,так как на данный момент это важнее.

[Serali]

Сказал что калпак.

Казах-Калпак-Ногай?

[Serali]

А какие трудности с ДНК-тестом уже давно похороненных личностей?(я имею в виду скажем 500 лет назад).

[asan-kaygy]

Казах-Калпак-Ногай?

Ногай-Казак, внутри Калпак.

[asan-kaygy]

А какие трудности с ДНК-тестом уже давно похороненных личностей?(я имею в виду скажем 500 лет назад).

Все зависит от сохранности останков.

Но митохондриальное ДНУК все таки легче так восстановить чем мужскую У-хромосому.

[Serali]

Все зависит от сохранности останков.

Но митохондриальное ДНУК все таки легче так восстановить чем мужскую У-хромосому.

Жаль.А кто нибудь пробовал проводить анализ батыров, на Юге Казакстана их много было похоронено.

[Farroukh]

Если вести речь об останках 500-летней давности, то хорошая вероятность, что Y-гаплогруппу выявить удастся

[Aza]

DESCENDANCY LINES OF PRINCE CHARLES

ARAB: Queen Elizabeth II and so Prince Charles descends from the Muslims who created the Arab Andalusian civilisation of Spain. Since some of those people sprang from the family of the Prophet, The Queen herself is a descendent either directly or collaterally of Mohammed. When Her Majesty visited Morocco in 1980, the Moroccan media pointed out this Islamic ancestry of Canada's Queen.

ARMENIAN :The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from both the medieval Armenian Kings and from the earlier rulers of ancient Armenia.

AUSTRIAN (and SWISS) All the immediate Royal Family have Habsburg ancestors who came originally from Switzerland, and who created the state of Austria.

BELGIAN Although the modern Belgian state dates only from 1830, the Belgian cultural heritage is that of old Burgundy. The famous Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, is a direct ancestor of Charles the Prince of Wales. Pictures also show that the Prince and Charles the Bold look remarkably alike.

BYZANTINE GREEK The Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip) and so Prince Charles has the blood of the Angeloi and Sommenoi Emperors of the East as well as the famous Palaeologus Sovereigns of Byzantium in his veins.

CHINESE During the visit of Queen Elizabeth II to China in 1986, articles published in the Chinese media traced Her Majesty's lineage and so Prince Charles to the Tang Dynasty who Emperors provided the Chinese Empire with a period of great peace, prosperity and artistic achievement.

CROATIAN The Croatian ancestry of The Queen included the House of Subic. Her Majesty and Prince Charles are descended from several Bans of Croatia.

CUMAN The Cumans originally lived in south Russia before being driven west into Hungary by the Mongols. Kutyen, their Khan, is an ancestor of Charles the Prince of Wales.

CZECH All the Bohemian Kings who left children are ancestors of the Prince of Wales.

DANISH Through the Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip) and Prince Charles the Royal Family is Danish in the male line.

DUTCH William the Silent, Prince of Orange and founder of the Dutch state, is a forebear of the Prince of Wales (Charles).

ENGLISH Charles the Prince of Wales descends from every English King who left descendants except Charles I, Charles II and James II. The Prince's son, Prince William of Wales, is a descendant several times over of Charles I, Charles II and James II through his mother Diana, Princess of Wales.

FRENCH (The merovingian line)Queen Elizabeth II and so Prince Charles are descended from Saint Louis, who was King Louis IX, the most famous medieval King of France, and from many other Carolingian, Capetian and Valois Sovereigns. Prince William of Wales, through his mother Diana, is descended five times over from Henri IV, King of France, who sent Champlain to Canada and who by insisting that commercial activities in the new land be accompanied by settlement laid the original foundations of the French-speaking community of Canada.

GEORGIAN Now once again an independent country, Georgia was a kingdom as long ago as the days of the Greco-Roman world. The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from many of its monarchs, ancient and modern.

GERMAN German ancestry makes up a good part of the Royal Family's background. Included in it are the great medieval Emperors and the dynasties of Bavaria, Saxony, Hesse, Baden, Mecklenburg, Wurttemberg, Brunswick and Anhalt, as well as such famous families as Hohenlohe, Molkte and Trauttmansdorf. Frederick the Great was an ancestral uncle of the Duke of Edinburgh (Philip) and so prince Charles again..

IRISH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother brought the blood of the Dal Cais and Eoganacht dynasties of Munster and that of the Ui Neill High Kings into the Royal Family. The Prince of Wales (Charles) also descends from Brian Boru, Nial of the Nine Hostages and the Iron Age sacral Kings of Tara.

ITALIAN ( ROMAN )The Duke of Savoy, the medieval Kings of Sicily, the Orsini of Rome, the Visconti of Milan, the della Scala of Verona, the Doria of Genoa and the Gonzaga of Mantua are among the many Italian families who blood has come to Charles the Prince of Wales. The Royal House of Brunswick, after which New Brunswick was named and which everyone thinks of as German, was actually founded in Germany by an Italian named Azzo II, Marques of Este.

JEWISH (MESSIANIC SUPPOSED LINK )SEE CHARLES SON OF DAVID - is seen by most a complete fabrication and see dan a more robable link to charles, even odin mytholgically satan lucifer line.

The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from the Colonna family who were Jewish in origin. He has also a descent from the Khazars (see below) who adopted Judaism as their religion. The Queen, her husband and her children have another Jewish descent from an historical figure named Makhir. Makhir was a Jewish Prince of the Davidic Royal House sent by Caliph Harun-al-Rashid as ambassador to the Emperor Charlemagne at the end of the 9th century. Makhir remained in Europe where he founded a family, one of whose descendants marries into the medieval English Royal Family.

KHAZAR The Khazars formed a powerful state between the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic world. The Queen is descended from Menu Morat, Elteber of te Bihar Khazars.

LITHUANIAN The Queen is a descendant of Gedimin, the last pagan King of the Lithuanians who died in 1341.

MONGOL The Prince of Wales (Charles) certainly has Mongol blood and is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan. This relationship provides the Royal Family with another link to China, for Genghis Khan's grandson Kublai Khan became Emperor of China and founder of its Yuan Dynasty.

NORWEGIAN Harold Haardrade, King of Norway, and the old Norse jarls of Orkney are ancestors of the Prince of Wales (Charles).

PERSIAN Through his mother, Prince William of Wales descends from Arsakes Vologaeses V Dikaios Epiphanes Philhellen, sacral King of Parthia, of the Parthian Royal House of Arsaces who ruled Persia (Iran), Mesopotamia and Babylon. The Parthian kings in turn claimed descent from the earlier Achaemenid Dynasty. If true, that relationship would make Prince William a descendant of Cyrus the Great and establish a blood link with classical Greece.

POLISH The original Piast Dynasty and Jagielonian Kings up to Sygmunt I (d. 1548) are all ancestors of the Prince of Wales (Charles). During her visit to Poland in 1996, The Queen made public reference to her Polish ancestors.

PORTUGUESE Alfonzo, Duke of Braganza (son of King John I) is an ancestor of the Royal Family. The Holy Constable who secured the independence of Portugal is also an ancestor several times over of Prince William of Wales.

ROMANIAN Queen Mary, grandmother of Elizabeth II, brought Romanian blood into the Royal Family as well as Hungarian. Thus The Queen is descended from Vlad Dracul, Prince of Wallachia and father of the original Dracula.

RUSSIAN The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from Peter the Great and Catherine the Great as well as the princes of the Rurik period. The later Russian Emperors right up to and including Nicholas II were close relatives of the Royal Family.

SCOTTISH King George VI (his grandfather) and the Duke of Edinburgh (his father) together have provided the Prince of Wales (Charles) with twenty-two descents from Mary Queen of Scots and over two hundred from Robert the Bruce.

SERBIAN Serbia's greatest ruler, Emperor Stephan Dusan, and the first King of Serbia, Stephen I, are both ancestors of The Queen.

SPANISH Ferdinand and Isabella, sponsors of the discovery of America by Columbus, and the epic Spanish hero El Cid are among the notable Spanish Ancestors of Queen Elizabeth II.

SWEDISH Through the Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip), the Prince of Wales (Charles) is descended from the Peace Kings of Uppsala and the rulers of Sweden in the age of the sagas, as well as many other historic figures of that land.

UKRAINIAN Elizabeth II is 31st in direct descent from Volodymyr Monomachus ruler of the Ukraine.

WELSH As befits a Prince of Wales, Charles is descended from Llywelyn the Great and most of the Welsh kings and princes back to the time the Romans left Britain.

Ofcourse Charles is descended to all the above without exception seeing as he has a mother and father linked to all or some of them.

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/ck15endtimecolumn/YETIMOREEE.html

[asan-kaygy]

DESCENDANCY LINES OF PRINCE CHARLES

ARAB: Queen Elizabeth II and so Prince Charles descends from the Muslims who created the Arab Andalusian civilisation of Spain. Since some of those people sprang from the family of the Prophet, The Queen herself is a descendent either directly or collaterally of Mohammed. When Her Majesty visited Morocco in 1980, the Moroccan media pointed out this Islamic ancestry of Canada's Queen.

ARMENIAN :The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from both the medieval Armenian Kings and from the earlier rulers of ancient Armenia.

AUSTRIAN (and SWISS) All the immediate Royal Family have Habsburg ancestors who came originally from Switzerland, and who created the state of Austria.

BELGIAN Although the modern Belgian state dates only from 1830, the Belgian cultural heritage is that of old Burgundy. The famous Charles the Bold, Duke of Burgundy, is a direct ancestor of Charles the Prince of Wales. Pictures also show that the Prince and Charles the Bold look remarkably alike.

BYZANTINE GREEK The Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip) and so Prince Charles has the blood of the Angeloi and Sommenoi Emperors of the East as well as the famous Palaeologus Sovereigns of Byzantium in his veins.

CHINESE During the visit of Queen Elizabeth II to China in 1986, articles published in the Chinese media traced Her Majesty's lineage and so Prince Charles to the Tang Dynasty who Emperors provided the Chinese Empire with a period of great peace, prosperity and artistic achievement.

CROATIAN The Croatian ancestry of The Queen included the House of Subic. Her Majesty and Prince Charles are descended from several Bans of Croatia.

CUMAN The Cumans originally lived in south Russia before being driven west into Hungary by the Mongols. Kutyen, their Khan, is an ancestor of Charles the Prince of Wales.

CZECH All the Bohemian Kings who left children are ancestors of the Prince of Wales.

DANISH Through the Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip) and Prince Charles the Royal Family is Danish in the male line.

DUTCH William the Silent, Prince of Orange and founder of the Dutch state, is a forebear of the Prince of Wales (Charles).

ENGLISH Charles the Prince of Wales descends from every English King who left descendants except Charles I, Charles II and James II. The Prince's son, Prince William of Wales, is a descendant several times over of Charles I, Charles II and James II through his mother Diana, Princess of Wales.

FRENCH (The merovingian line)Queen Elizabeth II and so Prince Charles are descended from Saint Louis, who was King Louis IX, the most famous medieval King of France, and from many other Carolingian, Capetian and Valois Sovereigns. Prince William of Wales, through his mother Diana, is descended five times over from Henri IV, King of France, who sent Champlain to Canada and who by insisting that commercial activities in the new land be accompanied by settlement laid the original foundations of the French-speaking community of Canada.

GEORGIAN Now once again an independent country, Georgia was a kingdom as long ago as the days of the Greco-Roman world. The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from many of its monarchs, ancient and modern.

GERMAN German ancestry makes up a good part of the Royal Family's background. Included in it are the great medieval Emperors and the dynasties of Bavaria, Saxony, Hesse, Baden, Mecklenburg, Wurttemberg, Brunswick and Anhalt, as well as such famous families as Hohenlohe, Molkte and Trauttmansdorf. Frederick the Great was an ancestral uncle of the Duke of Edinburgh (Philip) and so prince Charles again..

IRISH Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother brought the blood of the Dal Cais and Eoganacht dynasties of Munster and that of the Ui Neill High Kings into the Royal Family. The Prince of Wales (Charles) also descends from Brian Boru, Nial of the Nine Hostages and the Iron Age sacral Kings of Tara.

ITALIAN ( ROMAN )The Duke of Savoy, the medieval Kings of Sicily, the Orsini of Rome, the Visconti of Milan, the della Scala of Verona, the Doria of Genoa and the Gonzaga of Mantua are among the many Italian families who blood has come to Charles the Prince of Wales. The Royal House of Brunswick, after which New Brunswick was named and which everyone thinks of as German, was actually founded in Germany by an Italian named Azzo II, Marques of Este.

JEWISH (MESSIANIC SUPPOSED LINK )SEE CHARLES SON OF DAVID - is seen by most a complete fabrication and see dan a more robable link to charles, even odin mytholgically satan lucifer line.

The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from the Colonna family who were Jewish in origin. He has also a descent from the Khazars (see below) who adopted Judaism as their religion. The Queen, her husband and her children have another Jewish descent from an historical figure named Makhir. Makhir was a Jewish Prince of the Davidic Royal House sent by Caliph Harun-al-Rashid as ambassador to the Emperor Charlemagne at the end of the 9th century. Makhir remained in Europe where he founded a family, one of whose descendants marries into the medieval English Royal Family.

KHAZAR The Khazars formed a powerful state between the Byzantine Empire and the Islamic world. The Queen is descended from Menu Morat, Elteber of te Bihar Khazars.

LITHUANIAN The Queen is a descendant of Gedimin, the last pagan King of the Lithuanians who died in 1341.

MONGOL The Prince of Wales (Charles) certainly has Mongol blood and is a direct descendant of Genghis Khan. This relationship provides the Royal Family with another link to China, for Genghis Khan's grandson Kublai Khan became Emperor of China and founder of its Yuan Dynasty.

NORWEGIAN Harold Haardrade, King of Norway, and the old Norse jarls of Orkney are ancestors of the Prince of Wales (Charles).

PERSIAN Through his mother, Prince William of Wales descends from Arsakes Vologaeses V Dikaios Epiphanes Philhellen, sacral King of Parthia, of the Parthian Royal House of Arsaces who ruled Persia (Iran), Mesopotamia and Babylon. The Parthian kings in turn claimed descent from the earlier Achaemenid Dynasty. If true, that relationship would make Prince William a descendant of Cyrus the Great and establish a blood link with classical Greece.

POLISH The original Piast Dynasty and Jagielonian Kings up to Sygmunt I (d. 1548) are all ancestors of the Prince of Wales (Charles). During her visit to Poland in 1996, The Queen made public reference to her Polish ancestors.

PORTUGUESE Alfonzo, Duke of Braganza (son of King John I) is an ancestor of the Royal Family. The Holy Constable who secured the independence of Portugal is also an ancestor several times over of Prince William of Wales.

ROMANIAN Queen Mary, grandmother of Elizabeth II, brought Romanian blood into the Royal Family as well as Hungarian. Thus The Queen is descended from Vlad Dracul, Prince of Wallachia and father of the original Dracula.

RUSSIAN The Prince of Wales (Charles) descends from Peter the Great and Catherine the Great as well as the princes of the Rurik period. The later Russian Emperors right up to and including Nicholas II were close relatives of the Royal Family.

SCOTTISH King George VI (his grandfather) and the Duke of Edinburgh (his father) together have provided the Prince of Wales (Charles) with twenty-two descents from Mary Queen of Scots and over two hundred from Robert the Bruce.

SERBIAN Serbia's greatest ruler, Emperor Stephan Dusan, and the first King of Serbia, Stephen I, are both ancestors of The Queen.

SPANISH Ferdinand and Isabella, sponsors of the discovery of America by Columbus, and the epic Spanish hero El Cid are among the notable Spanish Ancestors of Queen Elizabeth II.

SWEDISH Through the Duke of Edinburgh (Prince Philip), the Prince of Wales (Charles) is descended from the Peace Kings of Uppsala and the rulers of Sweden in the age of the sagas, as well as many other historic figures of that land.

UKRAINIAN Elizabeth II is 31st in direct descent from Volodymyr Monomachus ruler of the Ukraine.

WELSH As befits a Prince of Wales, Charles is descended from Llywelyn the Great and most of the Welsh kings and princes back to the time the Romans left Britain.

Ofcourse Charles is descended to all the above without exception seeing as he has a mother and father linked to all or some of them.

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/ck15endtimecolumn/YETIMOREEE.html

Знаю я эту утку. Монгольская кровь гипотетична и все го лишь капля в море других генов.

[tmadi]

Не знаю, пригодится ли, разбирал материалы в рабочем компе, нашел такую карту Y-хромосом у народов Азии.

[asan-kaygy]

Не знаю, пригодится ли, разбирал материалы в рабочем компе, нашел такую карту Y-хромосом у народов Азии.

Рахмет, кажеться что у якутов N3 под 90 % по идее.

[АксКерБорж]

Не знаю, пригодится ли, разбирал материалы в рабочем компе, нашел такую карту Y-хромосом у народов Азии.

А мне как дилетанту кажется, что монголы родственны:

по D* - маньчжурам, ханьцам (китайцам), корейцам, японцам, вьетнамцам.

по С - маньчжурам и эвенкам.

по C3 - маньчжурам, эвенкам, якутам (саха) и казахам.

Оказывается все таки небеспочвенны мои предположения о родстве нынешнего халх-монгольского с маньчжурскими и ханьскими языками?

[MEN]

Не знаю, пригодится ли, разбирал материалы в рабочем компе, нашел такую карту Y-хромосом у народов Азии.

Судя по этим графикам, у казахов R1a1 примерно 25%, а C3c - 30-35%, поражает частота N3 у якутов, C3c у эвенков и O3 у китайцев. А D2 это случайно не айнский компонент?

[asan-kaygy]

А мне как дилетанту кажется, что монголы родственны:

по D* - маньчжурам, ханьцам (китайцам), корейцам, японцам, вьетнамцам.

по С - маньчжурам и эвенкам.

по C3 - маньчжурам, эвенкам, якутам (саха) и казахам.

Оказывается все таки небеспочвенны мои предположения о родстве нынешнего халх-монгольского с маньчжурскими и ханьскими языками?

Гаплогруппы это не гаплотипы с ними кашу не сваришь.

[tmadi]

Оказывается все таки небеспочвенны мои предположения о родстве нынешнего халх-монгольского с маньчжурскими и ханьскими языками?

Генетика - не аргумент в лингвистике.

[asan-kaygy]

Генетика - не аргумент в лингвистике.

+100

Язык по генам не передается а усваивается от социальной среды.

[АксКерБорж]

Генетика - не аргумент в лингвистике.

А я про что (дилетант)? Хотя я в чем-то все таки прав - социум это одно, а постоянная и извечная преемственность языка от родителей к детям, это другое. Черное не станет белым, если я слегка изменю свои слова:

А мне кажется, что монголы родственны:

по D* - маньчжурам, ханьцам (китайцам), корейцам, японцам, вьетнамцам.

по С - маньчжурам и эвенкам.

по C3 - маньчжурам, эвенкам, якутам (саха) и казахам.

Оказывается все таки небеспочвенны мои предположения о родстве нынешнего халх-монгольского с маньчжурскими и ханьскими народами?

[asan-kaygy]

А я про что (дилетант)? Хотя я в чем-то все таки прав - социум это одно, а постоянная и извечная преемственность языка от родителей к детям, это другое. Черное не станет белым, если я слегка изменю свои слова:

А мне кажется, что монголы родственны:

по D* - маньчжурам, ханьцам (китайцам), корейцам, японцам, вьетнамцам.

по С - маньчжурам и эвенкам.

по C3 - маньчжурам, эвенкам, якутам (саха) и казахам.

Оказывается все таки небеспочвенны мои предположения о родстве нынешнего халх-монгольского с маньчжурскими и ханьскими народами?

С* я думаю тут ошибка и была С3, все таки С1 С2 С4 среди монгол не слышал в таком количестве. А С3 уже распрстранен и среди хазарейцев и среди казахов и среди многих народов, так что не судите об этнгогенезе по этим данным. Они слишком расплывчаты.