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Что-то именно этот раздел форума зависал около часа

Не могу найти доступный сборник в сети. Только Приложение 1 на академии. Есть возможность получить его от Вас?

Добрый день! Кто может подсказать, у Ергенекты наймананов какая мажорная гаплогпуппа?

Добрый день, Hakan! Вы могли бы дать ссылки на размещенные в интернете официальные шежире каракалпаков?

Kamal, приветствую! Вы имели в виду эту ссылку? На сами издания данных шежире нет ссылок?

Понял так, что не все книги можно скачать. Может настройки не те. Постараюсь разобраться

Спасибо большое за ссылки на информативные источники. На данном сайте размещены ссылки на три файла в базе данных, включая приведенную Вами рукопись. К сожалению не по одному из них не смог скачать материал. Наверное не разобрался)

Спасибо большое за информацию. Есть ли в открытом доступе шижире кипчакских жагалтаев? Или каракалпакских кыпшаков?

Rust, добрый день. Может Вы могли бы помочь с поиском кызгызской версии эпоса Кыз Жыбек?

kyrgyzdaar, салам алейкум! Можете подсказать, где можно найти кыргызский вариант? И как он называется?

Kamal, салам алейкум! Скажите, пожалуйста, есть ли каракалпакская версия эпоса Кыз Жибек? И где можно ознакомится с героическим эпосом каракалпаков?

Интересно, совпаденцы, указавшие себя как "ханьцы" могут на самом деле быть не ими?

汉族 В анкетах Ханьцы оказывается)

Добрый день уважаемые форумчане! Хотелось бы услышать Ваши мнения по поводу совпадения жагалбайлинских и китайских образцов. Понимаю, может быть много версий, но все же в какое время: гунны, кидане, монголы, тюрки? Когда?

This is equivalent to O-MF61473 on the Chinese YDNA tree: https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-MF61473 Что за база данных? В нее можно с Уфулл автоматом попасть?

Да, сюжет закручивается)) Надеюсь развязка близка))

https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-MF61473 Здесь не то?

На LIVE yfull пока только вижу. Это не считается, что он на дереве? Какие Ваши мысли по этому поводу вообще? 2470 лет всего-то)

По карте эти провинции на востоке Китая) Вернее наверное северо-восток

Добрый день, уважаемые участники форума! Есть новости по Жагалбайлы: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=9810.msg543506#new Your YDNA paternal haplogroup had been updated on Yfull live: https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/O-MF58622 This is equivalent to O-MF61473 on the Chinese YDNA tree: https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-MF61473 You and one Chinese individual from Jiangsu Xuzhou, one Chinese individual from Shannxi Yan'an, one Chinese individual from Shandong Weihai share an ancestor from 2430 years ago. There is also a new study done on Y-STR in Kazakhstan: "Genetic Relationship Among the Kazakh People Based on Y-STR Markers Reveals Evidence of Genetic Variation Among Tribes and Zhuz" https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2021.801295 Abstract Ethnogenesis of Kazakhs took place in Central Asia, a region of high genetic and cultural diversity. Even though archaeological and historical studies have shed some light on the formation of modern Kazakhs, the process of establishment of hierarchical socioeconomic structure in the Steppe remains contentious. In this study, we analyzed haplotype variation at 15 Y-chromosomal short-tandem-repeats obtained from 1171 individuals from 24 tribes representing the three socio-territorial subdivisions (Senior, Middle and Junior zhuz) in Kazakhstan to comprehensively characterize the patrilineal genetic architecture of the Kazakh Steppe. In total, 577 distinct haplotypes were identified belonging to one of 20 haplogroups; 16 predominant haplogroups were confirmed by SNP-genotyping. The haplogroup distribution was skewed towards C2-M217, present in all tribes at a global frequency of 51.9%. Despite signatures of spatial differences in haplotype frequencies, a Mantel test failed to detect a statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distance between individuals. An analysis of molecular variance found that ∼8.9% of the genetic variance among individuals was attributable to differences among zhuzes and ∼20% to differences among tribes within zhuzes. The STRUCTURE analysis of the 1164 individuals indicated the presence of 20 ancestral groups and a complex three-subclade organization of the C2-M217 haplogroup in Kazakhs, a result supported by the multidimensional scaling analysis. Additionally, while the majority of the haplotypes and tribes overlapped, a distinct cluster of the O2 haplogroup, mostly of the Naiman tribe, was observed. Thus, firstly, our analysis indicated that the majority of Kazakh tribes share deep heterogeneous patrilineal ancestries, while a smaller fraction of them are descendants of a founder paternal ancestor. Secondly, we observed a high frequency of the C2-M217 haplogroups along the southern border of Kazakhstan, broadly corresponding to both the path of the Mongolian invasion and the ancient Silk Road. Interestingly, we detected three subclades of the C2-M217 haplogroup that broadly exhibits zhuz-specific clustering. Further study of Kazakh haplotypes variation within a Central Asian context is required to untwist this complex process of ethnogenesis.

Добрый день, уважаемые участники форума! Есть новости по Жагалбайлы: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=9810.msg543506#new Your YDNA paternal haplogroup had been updated on Yfull live: https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/O-MF58622 This is equivalent to O-MF61473 on the Chinese YDNA tree: https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-MF61473 You and one Chinese individual from Jiangsu Xuzhou, one Chinese individual from Shannxi Yan'an, one Chinese individual from Shandong Weihai share an ancestor from 2430 years ago. There is also a new study done on Y-STR in Kazakhstan: "Genetic Relationship Among the Kazakh People Based on Y-STR Markers Reveals Evidence of Genetic Variation Among Tribes and Zhuz" https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2021.801295 Abstract Ethnogenesis of Kazakhs took place in Central Asia, a region of high genetic and cultural diversity. Even though archaeological and historical studies have shed some light on the formation of modern Kazakhs, the process of establishment of hierarchical socioeconomic structure in the Steppe remains contentious. In this study, we analyzed haplotype variation at 15 Y-chromosomal short-tandem-repeats obtained from 1171 individuals from 24 tribes representing the three socio-territorial subdivisions (Senior, Middle and Junior zhuz) in Kazakhstan to comprehensively characterize the patrilineal genetic architecture of the Kazakh Steppe. In total, 577 distinct haplotypes were identified belonging to one of 20 haplogroups; 16 predominant haplogroups were confirmed by SNP-genotyping. The haplogroup distribution was skewed towards C2-M217, present in all tribes at a global frequency of 51.9%. Despite signatures of spatial differences in haplotype frequencies, a Mantel test failed to detect a statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distance between individuals. An analysis of molecular variance found that ∼8.9% of the genetic variance among individuals was attributable to differences among zhuzes and ∼20% to differences among tribes within zhuzes. The STRUCTURE analysis of the 1164 individuals indicated the presence of 20 ancestral groups and a complex three-subclade organization of the C2-M217 haplogroup in Kazakhs, a result supported by the multidimensional scaling analysis. Additionally, while the majority of the haplotypes and tribes overlapped, a distinct cluster of the O2 haplogroup, mostly of the Naiman tribe, was observed. Thus, firstly, our analysis indicated that the majority of Kazakh tribes share deep heterogeneous patrilineal ancestries, while a smaller fraction of them are descendants of a founder paternal ancestor. Secondly, we observed a high frequency of the C2-M217 haplogroups along the southern border of Kazakhstan, broadly corresponding to both the path of the Mongolian invasion and the ancient Silk Road. Interestingly, we detected three subclades of the C2-M217 haplogroup that broadly exhibits zhuz-specific clustering. Further study of Kazakh haplotypes variation within a Central Asian context is required to untwist this complex process of ethnogenesis.

Добрый день, уважаемые участники форума! Есть новости по Жагалбайлы: https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=9810.msg543506#new Your YDNA paternal haplogroup had been updated on Yfull live: https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/O-MF58622 This is equivalent to O-MF61473 on the Chinese YDNA tree: https://www.theytree.com/tree/O-MF61473 You and one Chinese individual from Jiangsu Xuzhou, one Chinese individual from Shannxi Yan'an, one Chinese individual from Shandong Weihai share an ancestor from 2430 years ago. There is also a new study done on Y-STR in Kazakhstan: "Genetic Relationship Among the Kazakh People Based on Y-STR Markers Reveals Evidence of Genetic Variation Among Tribes and Zhuz" https://doi.org/10.3389/fgene.2021.801295 Abstract Ethnogenesis of Kazakhs took place in Central Asia, a region of high genetic and cultural diversity. Even though archaeological and historical studies have shed some light on the formation of modern Kazakhs, the process of establishment of hierarchical socioeconomic structure in the Steppe remains contentious. In this study, we analyzed haplotype variation at 15 Y-chromosomal short-tandem-repeats obtained from 1171 individuals from 24 tribes representing the three socio-territorial subdivisions (Senior, Middle and Junior zhuz) in Kazakhstan to comprehensively characterize the patrilineal genetic architecture of the Kazakh Steppe. In total, 577 distinct haplotypes were identified belonging to one of 20 haplogroups; 16 predominant haplogroups were confirmed by SNP-genotyping. The haplogroup distribution was skewed towards C2-M217, present in all tribes at a global frequency of 51.9%. Despite signatures of spatial differences in haplotype frequencies, a Mantel test failed to detect a statistically significant correlation between genetic and geographic distance between individuals. An analysis of molecular variance found that ∼8.9% of the genetic variance among individuals was attributable to differences among zhuzes and ∼20% to differences among tribes within zhuzes. The STRUCTURE analysis of the 1164 individuals indicated the presence of 20 ancestral groups and a complex three-subclade organization of the C2-M217 haplogroup in Kazakhs, a result supported by the multidimensional scaling analysis. Additionally, while the majority of the haplotypes and tribes overlapped, a distinct cluster of the O2 haplogroup, mostly of the Naiman tribe, was observed. Thus, firstly, our analysis indicated that the majority of Kazakh tribes share deep heterogeneous patrilineal ancestries, while a smaller fraction of them are descendants of a founder paternal ancestor. Secondly, we observed a high frequency of the C2-M217 haplogroups along the southern border of Kazakhstan, broadly corresponding to both the path of the Mongolian invasion and the ancient Silk Road. Interestingly, we detected three subclades of the C2-M217 haplogroup that broadly exhibits zhuz-specific clustering. Further study of Kazakh haplotypes variation within a Central Asian context is required to untwist this complex process of ethnogenesis.

О-М175 у потомка Сарке https://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=9810.105 Он первый в таблице по ссылке. Почитайте ответ Фарруха в сообщении после таблицы

https://www.nur.kz/politics/kazakhstan/1940213-institut-izucheniya-ulusa-dzhuchi-sozdan-v-kazahstane/ Институт изучения Улуса Джучи создан в Казахстане

https://www.zakon.kz/amp/5083901-v-almaty-iz-spiska-pamyatnikov-istorii.html В Алматы захоронение исключили из списка памятников истории