Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 На МолГене запостили новую работу : A dynamic 6,000-year genetic history of Eurasia's Eastern Steppe Choongwon Jeong, View ORCID ProfileKe Wang, Shevan Wilkin, William Timothy Treal Taylor, Bryan Miller, Sodnom Ulziibayar, Raphaela Stahl, Chelsea Chiovelli, Jan H. Bemmann, Florian Knolle, Nikolay Kradin, Bilikto A. Bazarov, Denis A. Miyagashev, Prokopiy B. Konovalov, Elena Zhambaltarova, Alicia Ventresca Miller, Wolfgang Haak, Stephan Schiffels, Johannes Krause, Nicole Boivin, Erdene Myagmar, Jessica Hendy, Christina Warinner doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.03.25.008078 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.008078v1 Вроде как есть палеоднк хунну, тюрков и уйгуров . Изучайте, я ещё не смотрел. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Уйгуры : OLN001.A F D4 - Uigur OLN001.B M B5b1a Q1a1 (Q-F1215; Q-F1096) Uigur OLN002 F T1a1 - Uigur OLN003 M T1a1 R1b1a2 (R-PF6505; R-M269) Uigur OLN004 F H4a1a1a - Uigur OLN005 M H6b R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078) Uigur OLN007 M D4 C2e1a1a (C-F3864; C-M407) Uigur OLN008 F D4i - Uigur OLN009 F J1b1b1 - Uigur OLN010 M G3a3 R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078) Uigur OLN011 M B5b2a R1b1a2a2 (R-CTS1078) Uigur OLN012 F D4j10 - Uigur ZAA001 F A24 - Uigur 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Тюрки : NOM001 M U7a3a R1a1a1b2 (R-Z93) Turk TSB001 M H14b J1a (J-CTS5368) Turk UGU001 M D2 J2a (J-L559; J-M410) Turk ULI002 M B4c1a2a J2a (J-L559; J-M410) Turk ZAA002 M C4a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Turk ZAA004 M D4b1a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Turk ZAA007 F D4l2 - Turk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Хунну : AST001 F I1a - early Xiongnu JAG001 M F1b1f - early Xiongnu SKT001 F U5a1i - early Xiongnu SKT002 M G2a1e R1b (R-M343) early Xiongnu SKT003 F I1a - early Xiongnu SKT004 F U2e1a1 - early Xiongnu SKT005 M F1b1f R1b1 (R-M415; R-P25_1) early Xiongnu SKT006 M G2a1e R1 (R-P236; R-M173) early Xiongnu SKT007 M C4 Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) early Xiongnu SKT008 M H Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) early Xiongnu SKT009 M I1a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) early Xiongnu SKT010 F I1a - early Xiongnu SKT012 M C4a1a4a J2a1h2 (J-L25) early Xiongnu SAN001 F F1b1e - lateXiongnu UGU004 F C4a1a4a - lateXiongnu SOL001 F I4a - lateXiongnu DEL001 M D4j11 Q1a2a1c1 (Q-L332; Q-L329) lateXiongnu BTO001 M Z4a Q1a2a1c (Q-L330) lateXiongnu CHN010 M D4j12 C2b1a1b (C-F1756) lateXiongnu DOL001 F C4a1a - lateXiongnu IMA001 F C4a1a+195 - lateXiongnu IMA002 F D4j5a - lateXiongnu IMA003 M D4j5a R1a1 lateXiongnu IMA004 M G2a+152 Q1a2a lateXiongnu IMA005 M D4j5a N1c1a1a lateXiongnu IMA006 M A24 Q1a1a1 lateXiongnu IMA007 F A+152+16362 - lateXiongnu IMA008 F N9a - lateXiongnu JAA001 F M10a1b - lateXiongnu KHO006 M C5b1b C2b1a1b (C-F3937; C-F1756) lateXiongnu KHO007 M - CT (CT-M5603; CT-M168) lateXiongnu TEV002 F C5b - lateXiongnu TEV003 M N9a1 C2b1a1b(C-F1756) lateXiongnu TUK003 F J1d5 - lateXiongnu UGU011 F HV6 - lateXiongnu ULN004 F C5a1 - lateXiongnu UVG001 F G2a2 - lateXiongnu ATS001 F C4a1a - lateXiongnu BAM001 F D4j3 - lateXiongnu BRL002 F HV6 - lateXiongnu BRU001 M D5b1b2 J1a2b (J-P58) lateXiongnu BUR001 F T2b - lateXiongnu BUR002 M U2e1 E1b1b1a1b2 (E-V22; E-L677) lateXiongnu BUR003 M J2b1a2a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) lateXiongnu BUR004 F G2a5 - lateXiongnu DUU001 F D4b1a2a1 - lateXiongnu DUU002 M F2a R1a1a1 (R-Page7; R-M417) lateXiongnu HUD001 F K1a19 - lateXiongnu NAI001 M K1a12a1a J2a1h2 (J-L25) lateXiongnu NAI002 / NAI003 M C4a2c1 R1a1a1b1 (R-Z283) lateXiongnu SON001 M D4 NO (NO-M2308; NO-M2313) lateXiongnu TMI001 F J2b1a2a - lateXiongnu TUH001 M B5a2a1a C2b1b1 (C-M86) lateXiongnu TUH002 M B5a2a1a J2a (J-M410) lateXiongnu UGU005 M U4a1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu UGU006 M Z1a J1 (J-M267) lateXiongnu UGU010 M - R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu YUR001 M D5a2a1 N1 (N-L735) lateXiongnu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 43 минуты назад, Samtat сказал: Уйгуры : OLN005 M H6b R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078) Uigur OLN010 M G3a3 R1b1a2a2 (R-Z2105; R-CTS1078) Uigur OLN011 M B5b2a R1b1a2a2 (R-CTS1078) Uigur Эти уйгуры похоже потомки афанасьевцев. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koshoj Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Чего только у хунну нету. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Надо было разделить точнее, там у них градация идет : западные, остальные, хунно-сарматы и ханьские(?) хунну. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le_Raffine Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 А вообще насколько можно доверять таким данным? Там же не написано вот тут хунну лежит, а тут коктюрк. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Ну вроде как среди соавторов есть и представители РФ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 25 минут назад, Samtat сказал: Хунну : SKT007 M C4 Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) early Xiongnu JAG001 M F1b1f - earlyXiongnu_rest SKT002 M G2a1e R1b (R-M343) earlyXiongnu_rest SKT004 F U2e1a1 - earlyXiongnu_rest SKT005 M F1b1f R1b1 (R-M415; R-P25_1) earlyXiongnu_rest SKT006 M G2a1e R1 (R-P236; R-M173) earlyXiongnu_rest AST001 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west SKT001 F U5a1i - earlyXiongnu_west SKT003 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west SKT008 M H Q1a2a1c (Q-L334; Q-L330) earlyXiongnu_west SKT009 M I1a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) earlyXiongnu_west SKT010 F I1a - earlyXiongnu_west SKT012 M C4a1a4a J2a1h2 (J-L25) earlyXiongnu_west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 38 минут назад, Samtat сказал: Хунну : BRL002 F HV6 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian BUR001 F T2b - lateXiongnu_sarmatian BUR002 M U2e1 E1b1b1a1b2 (E-V22; E-L677) lateXiongnu_sarmatian BUR003 M J2b1a2a R1a1a1b (R-Z647; R-Z645) lateXiongnu_sarmatian BUR004 F G2a5 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian DUU001 F D4b1a2a1 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian HUD001 F K1a19 - lateXiongnu_sarmatian NAI001 M K1a12a1a J2a1h2 (J-L25) lateXiongnu_sarmatian NAI002 / NAI003 M C4a2c1 R1a1a1b1 (R-Z283) lateXiongnu_sarmatian TMI001 F J2b1a2a - lateXiongnu_sarmatian UGU005 M U4a1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu_sarmatian UGU006 M Z1a J1 (J-M267) lateXiongnu_sarmatian UGU010 M - R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) lateXiongnu_sarmatian ATS001 F C4a1a - lateXiongnu_han BAM001 F D4j3 - lateXiongnu_han BRU001 M D5b1b2 J1a2b (J-P58) lateXiongnu_han EME002 F B5a2a1b - lateXiongnu_han SON001 M D4 NO (NO-M2308; NO-M2313) lateXiongnu_han TUH001 M B5a2a1a C2b1b1 (C-M86) lateXiongnu_han TUH002 M B5a2a1a J2a (J-M410) lateXiongnu_han YUR001 M D5a2a1 N1 (N-L735) lateXiongnu_han 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koshoj Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 minutes ago, Le_Raffine said: А вообще насколько можно доверять таким данным? Там же не написано вот тут хунну лежит, а тут коктюрк. Ну обычно генетики полагаются на мнение археологов, так что это вопрос того как археологи определяют кто хунну, а кто кёктюрк. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Кидани : ULA001 M Y1a J2a2 (J-L581) Khitan ZAA003 F F2a - Khitan ZAA005 M D4c1b1 J2a (J-L212; J-M410) Khitan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 17 минут назад, Samtat сказал: Кидани : ULA001 M Y1a J2a2 (J-L581) Khitan ZAA003 F F2a - Khitan ZAA005 M D4c1b1 J2a (J-L212; J-M410) Khitan That's so interesting to see a subclade of Eurasian J haplogroup in the Proto-Mongolic tribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le_Raffine Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 19 минут назад, Samtat сказал: Кидани : ULA001 M Y1a J2a2 (J-L581) Khitan ZAA003 F F2a - Khitan ZAA005 M D4c1b1 J2a (J-L212; J-M410) Khitan Какие интересные результаты. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Монголы позднего средневековья ? ARG001 M G2a1 R1a1a1b2a2b (R-Z2122) Mongol ARG002 F M10a2 - Mongol ARG003 M C4a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol BAU001 F N1a1a1a1 - Mongol BAZ001 F G3a3 - Mongol BRG001 F M7b1a1a2 - Mongol BRG002 F G2a5 - Mongol BRG004 M D4c2a CT (CT-M5613; CT-M168) Mongol BRG005 M G1a N1c2b2 (N-L665) Mongol BRL001 F G1a1a - Mongol CHD001 F F1g - Mongol CHN014 F D4l2 - Mongol DAR002 F A11 - Mongol DAS001 M N1a1a1a1a C2b1c (C-M546; C-F1918) Mongol DEE001 F B4d1'2'3 - Mongol DUU002 M F2a R1a1a1 (R-Page7; R-M417) Mongol ERD001 F B4f - Mongol GTO001 F M7b1b - Mongol GUN002 F F1a1 - Mongol GAN002 F A11a - Mongol IKU001 F F1b1b - Mongol KGK001 F D4b1a2a1 - Mongol KHL001 F F1b1b - Mongol KHN001 / KHN002 M D4j5a C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol KHU001 M C4a1a Q1a2a (Q-L55; Q-L53) Mongol KHV002 M C5a1 N1c2b2 (N-L665) Mongol KNN001 M Z3c O2a1c1a5 (O-M5420) Mongol KNU001 F F1b1f - Mongol KRN001 M Z3c C2b1b1 (C-M86) Mongol KRN002 F A18 - Mongol KHO001 M D4 J (J-CTS10446; J-M304) Mongol MRI001 M D4m D (D-F1137; D-M174) Mongol NRC001 F A - Mongol RAH001 F F1b1e - Mongol SHA001 M D4a1 C2b1c (C-F3795; C-F1918) Mongol SHG001 M M9a1a C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol SHG002 M D4o1 N1c1a1 (N-L708) Mongol SHG003 M G2a2a C2b1c (C-F4002; C-F1918) Mongol TAH002 M B4b1b D1a2a (D-P47) Mongol TAV001 M M9a R1a1a1b (R-Z645) Mongol TAV005 M D4j+16311 R1b1a2(R-PF6475,R-M269) Mongol TAV006 F HV2a2 - Mongol TAV011 M C4b1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) Mongol TSA001 M T1a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol TSA002 M D4o2a C2b1 (C-F1788; C-F1699) Mongol TSA003 M D4j3 C2b1c (C-F3939; C-F1918) Mongol TSA004 M D4a1 D1a1a (D-N1) Mongol TSA005 M Z1a N1c1 (N-L395; N-M46) Mongol TSA006 F F1b1f - Mongol TSA007 F M8a2'3 - Mongol UGO001 F K2a5b - Mongol UGO002 M U5a1a1 O2a2b1a1 (O-Page23) Mongol UGU002 M B4a2b1 R (R-P224; R-M207) Mongol ULN011 M A2a3 O2a2b1a1a (O-F42; O-F8) Mongol UGU003 F U3a - Mongol UUS002 M X2d1 Q1a1a1 (Q-M265; Q-M120) Mongol ZAM001 M D4q R1a1a (R-L449; R-M512) Mongol ZAM002 M B6a D1a1a (D-N1) Mongol ZAR002 F F1 - Mongol ZAY001 M M9a1b2 O2a2b1a1a (O-F8) Mongol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechenosec Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 10 минут назад, Samtat сказал: Монголы позднего средневековья ? ARG001 M G2a1 R1a1a1b2a2b (R-Z2122) Mongol ARG002 F M10a2 - Mongol ARG003 M C4a2a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol BAU001 F N1a1a1a1 - Mongol BAZ001 F G3a3 - Mongol BRG001 F M7b1a1a2 - Mongol BRG002 F G2a5 - Mongol BRG004 M D4c2a CT (CT-M5613; CT-M168) Mongol BRG005 M G1a N1c2b2 (N-L665) Mongol BRL001 F G1a1a - Mongol CHD001 F F1g - Mongol CHN014 F D4l2 - Mongol DAR002 F A11 - Mongol DAS001 M N1a1a1a1a C2b1c (C-M546; C-F1918) Mongol DEE001 F B4d1'2'3 - Mongol DUU002 M F2a R1a1a1 (R-Page7; R-M417) Mongol ERD001 F B4f - Mongol GTO001 F M7b1b - Mongol GUN002 F F1a1 - Mongol GAN002 F A11a - Mongol IKU001 F F1b1b - Mongol KGK001 F D4b1a2a1 - Mongol KHL001 F F1b1b - Mongol KHN001 / KHN002 M D4j5a C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol KHU001 M C4a1a Q1a2a (Q-L55; Q-L53) Mongol KHV002 M C5a1 N1c2b2 (N-L665) Mongol KNN001 M Z3c O2a1c1a5 (O-M5420) Mongol KNU001 F F1b1f - Mongol KRN001 M Z3c C2b1b1 (C-M86) Mongol KRN002 F A18 - Mongol KHO001 M D4 J (J-CTS10446; J-M304) Mongol MRI001 M D4m D (D-F1137; D-M174) Mongol NRC001 F A - Mongol RAH001 F F1b1e - Mongol SHA001 M D4a1 C2b1c (C-F3795; C-F1918) Mongol SHG001 M M9a1a C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol SHG002 M D4o1 N1c1a1 (N-L708) Mongol SHG003 M G2a2a C2b1c (C-F4002; C-F1918) Mongol TAH002 M B4b1b D1a2a (D-P47) Mongol TAV001 M M9a R1a1a1b (R-Z645) Mongol TAV005 M D4j+16311 R1b1a2(R-PF6475,R-M269) Mongol TAV006 F HV2a2 - Mongol TAV011 M C4b1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) Mongol TSA001 M T1a1 C2b1a1b1 (C-F3830) Mongol TSA002 M D4o2a C2b1 (C-F1788; C-F1699) Mongol TSA003 M D4j3 C2b1c (C-F3939; C-F1918) Mongol TSA004 M D4a1 D1a1a (D-N1) Mongol TSA005 M Z1a N1c1 (N-L395; N-M46) Mongol TSA006 F F1b1f - Mongol TSA007 F M8a2'3 - Mongol UGO001 F K2a5b - Mongol UGO002 M U5a1a1 O2a2b1a1 (O-Page23) Mongol UGU002 M B4a2b1 R (R-P224; R-M207) Mongol ULN011 M A2a3 O2a2b1a1a (O-F42; O-F8) Mongol UGU003 F U3a - Mongol UUS002 M X2d1 Q1a1a1 (Q-M265; Q-M120) Mongol ZAM001 M D4q R1a1a (R-L449; R-M512) Mongol ZAM002 M B6a D1a1a (D-N1) Mongol ZAR002 F F1 - Mongol ZAY001 M M9a1b2 O2a2b1a1a (O-F8) Mongol Да там , на Дальнем Востоке и в Монголии ,еще задолго до ЧХ видно еще та каша была , даже у киданей - J2, племена все время перемешивались и формировали разные ханства, ведь у современных монголов и щас разные гаплы. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 22 минуты назад, Samtat сказал: TAV001 M M9a R1a1a1b (R-Z645) Mongol TAV005 M D4j+16311 R1b1a2(R-PF6475,R-M269) Mongol TAV006 F HV2a2 - Mongol TAV011 M C4b1 R1a1a1b2a2a (R-Z2123) Mongol Это образцы со средневекового элитарного захоронения Таван Толгой. И вновь результаты удивляют. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 Все образцы в виде диаграммы : 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 часов назад, Samtat сказал: ARG001 M G2a1 R1a1a1b2a2b (R-Z2122) Mongol Этот уже судя по мтДНК из местных, возможно потомок бронзовиков R-Z2122. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asan-kaygy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Как много новых данных. Интересно и вкусно 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Идикут Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 "Most Uyghur period individuals exhibit a high, but variable, degree of west Eurasian ancestry - best modeled as a mixture of Alans (a historic nomadic pastoral group likely descended from the Sarmatians and contemporaries of the Huns (Bachrach, 1973)) and an Iranian-related (BMAC-related) ancestry - together with Ulaanzuukh_SlabGrave (ANA-related) ancestry (Fig. 3e). The admixture dates estimated for the ancient Türkic and Uyghur individuals in this study correspond to ca. 500 CE: 8±2 generations before the Türkic individuals and 12±2 generations before the Uyghur individuals (represented by ZAA001 and Olon Dov individuals)." "Following the collapse of the Uyghur empire, we documented a final major genetic shift during the late medieval period towards greater eastern Eurasian ancestry, which is consistent with historically documented expansions of Tungusic- (Jurchen) and Mongolic- (Khitan and Mongol) speaking groups from the northeast into the Eastern Steppe (Biran, 2012)." In your face MR. ADMIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asan-kaygy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Интересно есть ли сайт где все целенаправленно в одном месте палеоДНК собирают 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samtat Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJVorIlzYuJt4luj3iiV5q7WcN52O6qvUhBewn6GAkI/view#gid=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Rust Posted March 27, 2020 Admin Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 часа назад, Идикут сказал: "Most Uyghur period individuals exhibit a high, but variable, degree of west Eurasian ancestry - best modeled as a mixture of Alans (a historic nomadic pastoral group likely descended from the Sarmatians and contemporaries of the Huns (Bachrach, 1973)) and an Iranian-related (BMAC-related) ancestry - together with Ulaanzuukh_SlabGrave (ANA-related) ancestry (Fig. 3e). The admixture dates estimated for the ancient Türkic and Uyghur individuals in this study correspond to ca. 500 CE: 8±2 generations before the Türkic individuals and 12±2 generations before the Uyghur individuals (represented by ZAA001 and Olon Dov individuals)." "Following the collapse of the Uyghur empire, we documented a final major genetic shift during the late medieval period towards greater eastern Eurasian ancestry, which is consistent with historically documented expansions of Tungusic- (Jurchen) and Mongolic- (Khitan and Mongol) speaking groups from the northeast into the Eastern Steppe (Biran, 2012)." In your face MR. ADMIN У современных кыргызов условно "арийская" гапла, но они однозначно не европеоиды. Так что "This information is not important" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...