ПалеоДНК жужаней

[asan-kaygy]

  В 22.04.2018 в 14:34, кылышбай сказал:

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491

The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population

Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou

First published: 21 April 2018
https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491

Abstract

Objectives

Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran.

Materials and methods

The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual.

Results

The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017).

Discussion

We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

[Курсант]

  В 24.04.2018 в 06:17, asan-kaygy сказал:

 

ПалеоДНК по жужаням

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491

The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population

Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou

First published: 21 April 2018
https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491

Abstract

Objectives

Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran.

Materials and methods

The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual.

Results

The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017).

Discussion

We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

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у них торе-кластер F1756?

[asan-kaygy]

  В 24.04.2018 в 07:37, Shymkent сказал:

у них торе-кластер F1756?

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У них этот субклад но какой кластер не понятно еще

[asan-kaygy]

  В 24.04.2018 в 06:17, asan-kaygy сказал:

 

ПалеоДНК по жужаням

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.23491

The genome of an ancient Rouran individual reveals an important paternal lineage in the Donghu population

Jiawei Li, Ye Zhang, Yongbin Zhao, Yongzhi Chen, A. Ochir, Sarenbilige, Hong Zhu, Hui Zhou

First published: 21 April 2018
https://doi.org/10.1002/ajpa.23491

Abstract

Objectives

Following the Xiongnu and Xianbei, the Rouran Khaganate (Rouran) was the third great nomadic tribe on the Mongolian Steppe. However, few human remains from this tribe are available for archaeologists and geneticists to study, as traces of the tombs of these nomadic people have rarely been found. In 2014, the IA‐M1 remains (TL1) at the Khermen Tal site from the Rouran period were found by a Sino‐Mongolian joint archaeological team in Mongolia, providing precious material for research into the genetic imprint of the Rouran.

Materials and methods

The mtDNA hypervariable sequence I (HVS‐I) and Y‐chromosome SNPs were analyzed, and capture of the paternal non‐recombining region of the Y chromosome (NRY) and whole‐genome shotgun sequencing of TL1 were performed. The materials from three sites representing the three ancient nationalities (Donghu, Xianbei, and Shiwei) were selected for comparison with the TL1 individual.

Results

The mitochondrial haplotype of the TL1 individual was D4b1a2a1. The Y‐chromosome haplotype was C2b1a1b/F3830 (ISOGG 2015), which was the same as that of the other two ancient male nomadic samples (ZHS5 and GG3) related to the Xianbei and Shiwei, which were also detected as F3889; this haplotype was reported to be downstream of F3830 by Wei et al. (2017).

Discussion

We conclude that F3889 downstream of F3830 is an important paternal lineage of the ancient Donghu nomads. The Donghu‐Xianbei branch is expected to have made an important paternal genetic contribution to Rouran. This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

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Радиуглеродная датировка указывает на 585-650 годы, явно не жужани.

[Le_Raffine]

  В 24.04.2018 в 08:58, asan-kaygy сказал:

Радиуглеродная датировка указывает на 585-650 годы, явно не жужани.

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Ашина?

[Samtat]

  В 24.04.2018 в 06:17, asan-kaygy сказал:

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Сегодня с утра смотрю: "Rouran Khaganate" . Думаю, что ещё такое ? Пока по гуглу не забил, не понял. 

[asan-kaygy]

  В 24.04.2018 в 09:15, Le_Raffine сказал:

Ашина?

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возможно тюрки

[asan-kaygy]

  В 24.04.2018 в 09:55, Samtat сказал:

Сегодня с утра смотрю: "Rouran Khaganate" . Думаю, что ещё такое ? Пока по гуглу не забил, не понял. 

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Да, название на английском не совпадает с русским

[Steppe Man]

  В 24.04.2018 в 09:57, asan-kaygy сказал:

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This component of gene flow ultimately entered the gene pool of modern Mongolic‐ and Manchu‐speaking populations.

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[asan-kaygy]

  В 24.04.2018 в 11:29, Steppe Man сказал:

 

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Обмен генетическим материалом между соседями вполне распространенная явление

[Samtat]

  В 24.04.2018 в 08:58, asan-kaygy сказал:

Радиуглеродная датировка указывает на 585-650 годы, явно не жужани.

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Германская лаборатория датирует 4-6 веком н.э. :

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The C dating of the wood on the coffin board was confirmed both at Peking University, China (cal. AD590–655) and the University of Cologne, Germany (cal. AD 335–535)(Chen et al., 2015a). The absolute chronology of the tomb ranges from the fourth to sixth centuries AD, which is a time period coinciding with the Rouran Khan Kingdom on the Mongolian Plateau.

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[reicheOnkel]

  В 24.04.2018 в 09:57, asan-kaygy сказал:

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вроде тюрки сжигали своих покойников. как я помню в тюркских захоронениях отсутствуют человеческие останки. есть зола. 

[asan-kaygy]

  В 24.04.2018 в 16:52, Samtat сказал:

Германская лаборатория датирует 4-6 веком н.э. :

 

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Спасибо за подсказку, теперь больше возможности что это жужани, европейцы мне кажется будут более точны. Хотя надо почитать это датиовки останков или чего-то другоо. Те же китайцы датировали останки 

[asan-kaygy]

  В 25.04.2018 в 03:04, asan-kaygy сказал:

Спасибо за подсказку, теперь больше возможности что это жужани, европейцы мне кажется будут более точны. Хотя надо почитать это датиовки останков или чего-то другоо. Те же китайцы датировали останки 

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Посмотрел wood on the coffin board. Надо детальнее статью прочитать еще раз

[asan-kaygy]

  В 25.04.2018 в 03:02, reicheOnkel сказал:

вроде тюрки сжигали своих покойников. как я помню в тюркских захоронениях отсутствуют человеческие останки. есть зола. 

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Еще один аргумент в пользу жужаней в захоронении

[Rust]

  В 25.04.2018 в 03:02, reicheOnkel сказал:

вроде тюрки сжигали своих покойников. как я помню в тюркских захоронениях отсутствуют человеческие останки. есть зола. 

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Тюрки меняли обряд трупосожжения на трупоположение, как помню при Эль-кагане. Китайский император обвинял их в нарушении традиций.

[ARS]

  В 25.04.2018 в 03:02, reicheOnkel сказал:

вроде тюрки сжигали своих покойников. как я помню в тюркских захоронениях отсутствуют человеческие останки. есть зола. 

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тюрки принявших буддизм или  зороастризм сжигали своих покойников , тенгрианцы нет 

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Потомки жужаней - ныне среди китайцев и казахов?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-F3830/

 

[ARS]

  В 05.01.2021 в 15:05, Скриптонит сказал:

Потомки жужаней - ныне среди китайцев и казахов?

https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-F3830/

 

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Питер Фрэнсис Миддлтон р. 1920 и р. 2010

Великобритания

C-Y148084

и среди англичан ?