Гость Aleksandr Опубликовано 7 мая, 2005 Опубликовано 7 мая, 2005 Объясните, пожалуйста, как переводится название перевала Бугымуиз (на некоторых картах - Богомуюс или Бугумуюз). По этому перевалу пастухи из Южного Алтая гоняют скот на плато Укок. Нашел, что казахское слово бугы означает «олень».
enhd Опубликовано 7 мая, 2005 Опубликовано 7 мая, 2005 "Бугы муиз" - это название перевал "Оленья рога" Бугы, буга - олень муиз, мыз..? - рога
Ар_ Опубликовано 7 мая, 2005 Опубликовано 7 мая, 2005 Объясните, пожалуйста, как переводится название перевала Бугымуиз (на некоторых картах - Богомуюс или Бугумуюз).По этому перевалу пастухи из Южного Алтая гоняют скот на плато Укок. Нашел, что казахское слово бугы означает «олень». БУГЫ = "олень, лось", МУЙIС = "рог". Казахско-русский словарьКазахский Русский бугы лось олень муйіз рог рога бугы муйізі оленьи рога панты Long-range etymologies :MEANING: goat, ram, deer Eurasiatic: *pOgV Afroasiatic: *bagga?|(-Vr)- REFERENCE: ND 185. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nostratic etymology : Nostratic: *pOgV Meaning: deer, he-goat Altaic: *po>/gV ( ~ -u-) Indo-European: *bhug'- References: ND 185 *bukE?_V 'billy goat, ram'. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altaic etymology : Proto-Altaic: *po>/gV ( ~ -u-) Meaning: deer (male) Russian meaning: олень (самец) Turkic: *bugu, -ra Mongolian: *bojir Tungus-Manchu: *pegu(le)- Comments: KW 58, Лексика 152. A Western isogloss. High tone reconstructed because of Mong. *b-. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turkic etymology : Proto-Turkic: *bugu, -ra Meaning: 1 deer (male) 2 camel stallion Russian meaning: 1 олень 2 самец верблюда Old Turkic: bug|u 1 (13th c.), bug|ura 2 (Orkh.) Karakhanid: bug|ra 2 (MK) Turkish: bug|ur 2, dial. bug|u 1 Middle Turkic: bug|u 1, bug|ra, bug|ur 2 (Pav. C.) Uzbek: bug|u 1 Uighur: bug|u 1, (dial.) bug|ra, bog|ra 2 Sary-Yughur: pyrg|a 2 Azerbaidzhan: bug|ur 2 Turkmen: bug|ra 2 Oyrat: bura 2 Yakut: bu:r 'male reindeer, male' Dolgan: bu:r 'male reindeer' Tuva: bu:ra 2, bu:r 'male elk' Kirghiz: bu:ra 2 Kazakh: bura 2 Noghai: bora 2 Balkar: bu: 1 Karakalpak: buwra 2 Comments: EDT 317-318, ЭСТЯ 2, 235-238, Лексика 152, Лексика 446-447, Stachowski 67. Turk. bugura > Mong. bug|ura (see TMN 2, 296, Щербак 1997, 110). Щербак 1997, 201 considers Turkic *bugu to be borrowed from Mongolian bug|u 'male deer' (which may be true for some Kypchak forms: Kirgh. bug|u, Kaz. bu>g|y, Nogh., KKalp. bug|y), but in fact one can also think of a loan in the opposite direction: Turk. > Mong. bug|u (KW 58, MGCD 166), further > Evk. bug|u etc., see Doerfer MT 78. Turk. > Russ. Siber. bura/ 'female camel'; Mong. (Bur.) bu:ra > Russ. Siber. bu/ra id., see Аникин 142. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mongolian etymology : Proto-Mongolian: *bojir Meaning: male (of animals: elk, otter etc.) Russian meaning: самец животных (лося, выдры и др.) Written Mongolian: bojir (L 113) Khalkha: bojr Kalmuck: bo":lc@n 'otter' (КРС 114) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tungus etymology : Proto-Tungus-Manchu: *pegu(le)- ( / *po-) Meaning: young of elk, elk Russian meaning: лосенок, лось Evenki: hogloka:n, heglen, hewlen Comments: ТМС 2, 360. An Evk. word with probable external parallels; its relationship to a homophonous TM name of a constellation (Ursa Major or Minor) is not quite clear. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Indo-European etymology : Proto-IE: *bhug'- Meaning: he-goat, ram Old Indian: Gipsy buzni Ziege Avestan: bu:za- `he-goat' Other Iranian: NPers buz `goat' Armenian: buc `lamb' Germanic: *bukk-a- m., *bukk-an- m. Celtic: MIr bocc, Ir boc; Corn boch, Cymr bwch, Bret bouc'h `козел' References: WP II 189 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pokorny's dictionary : Root: bhu:>g^o-s, Koseform bhukko-s English meaning: goat German meaning: `Bock' Grammatical comments: (fem. auf -a: `Ziege') Material: Zigeun. buzni `Ziege'; av. bu:za m. `Ziegenbock', npers. buz `Ziege, Bock'; arm. buz `Lamm'; mir. bocc, pocc, nir. boc, poc, cymr. bwch, corn. boch, bret. bouc'h `Bock', dazu mir. bocca:nach `Gespenst'; germ. *bukka- (nach Pedersen Litteris 7, 23 f. aus dem Kelt. entlehnt?) in aisl. bukkr, bokkr, bokki, ags. bucca, nengl. buck, ahd. mhd. boc, -ekes, nhd. Bock. Das im Konsonantismus abweichende ai. bukka-h. `Ziegenbock' (unbelegt) ist wohl von bukkati `bellt' (s. unter beu-1, bu-) beeinflus|te hypochoristische Umbildung eines *bhu:ja- =av. bu:za-. Auch npers. dial. boc^a `junge Ziege', pa:m. buc^, bu"c^ scheinen Ergebnis a"hnlicher Umbildung zu sein. References: WP. II 189 f., Pedersen Litteris 7, 23 f., Martinet Ge/mination 182. Pages: 174 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germanic etymology : Proto-Germanic: *bukka-z, *bukke:n Meaning: buck Old Norse: bukk-r, bokk-r m. `Bock' Norwegian: bokk, bukk Swedish: bock Danish: buk Old English: buc, -es m. `buck, male-hirsch', bucca, -an m. `he-goat, buck' English: buck Old Saxon: buck Middle Dutch: boc, buc Dutch: bok M. Old Franconian: buck Middle Low German: buck Old High German: boc, buc (9.Jh.) Middle High German: boc (-ck-) st. m. 'bock; ho"lzernes gestell; ramme' German: Bock m. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afroasiatic etymology : Proto-Afro-Asiatic: *bagga?|(-Vr)- Meaning: goat, sheep Berber: *bagug 'young ram, lamb' Western Chadic: *bag- 'sheep' Central Chadic: *bag- 'sheep' East Chadic: *bag- 'goat' 1, 'cattle' 2 Central Cushitic (Agaw): *bagga: 'sheep, ram' Omotic: *bagVy- 'goat' NOTES: Cf. Eth *bag(g)i?|- 'goat' (<*Cu.?). Cf. HSED, 44 (Brb., CCh., ECh.: Sbn.; CCu., Om.: Kf. + Bw. - not in Lamb. Bw.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Berber etymology : Proto-Berber: *bagug Meaning: 'young ram, lamb' Nefusa: Cf. bg:u, pl. i-bg:i-in 'calf' Wo"lf. 1955, 58 Ayr: a-ba>gog 'jeune mouton de 2 a\ 3 ans' Aloj., 4 Ahaggar (Tahaggart): a-bag:ug::, pl. i-bg:a^g: 'agneau' F., 34; Taytoq abaz\/uz\/ 'mouton' Wo"lf. (jubaque)? Tawllemmet: a-ba>gog 'jeune mouton de 2 a\ 3 ans' Aloj., 4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Egyptian etymology : Old Egyptian: dmy (pyr) Meaning: 'town' Demotic: dmy Coptic: *tmi Coptic meaning: 'village' Bohairic: tmi Sahidic: tme Notes: Copt shows that Eg -y continues a suffix. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Western Chadic etymology : Proto-WChadic: *bag- Meaning: 'sheep' Mupun: m\ba/ak [FrM] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Central Chadic etymology : Proto-CChadic: *bag- Meaning: 'sheep' Gude: ba\ga/ [Hs] Fali Jilvu: b@\ga\ [Kr: 8] Fali Muchella: b@\g@ [Kr: 18] Fali Bwagira: bag@-n [Kr:28 ] Mwulyen: m/ba/ga-tı/ [Kr: 58] Bachama: m-baga-to [CLR: 291] Bata: ba:ge/ [CLR: 291] Notes: cp. C 7MOF tu\-ba/n|, MATK ta\mba\k [CLR: 291] < *ta-bVk# ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eastern Chadic etymology : Proto-EChadic: *bag- Meaning: 'goat' 1, 'cattle' 2 Sokoro: bu/go: 2 [Lk: 46] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Agaw etymology : Proto-Agaw: *bagga: Meaning: 'sheep, ram' Cer. Kaf., 411; LGz., 88 Bilin: bagga: 'pecora' Khamir: bega: Khamta: biga: Qwara: baga: Qemant: baga: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Omotic etymology : Proto-Omotic: *bagVy- Meaning: 'goat' Kafa (Kaficho): bage: 'pecora' Cer. Kaf., 411 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Nostratic etymology : Nostratic: *mVjn|V Meaning: horn, peg Altaic: *mu/jn|i Kartvelian: OG mana 'peg'? Indo-European: *mei- 'Pfahl'? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altaic etymology : Proto-Altaic: *mu/jn|i Meaning: horn; cartilage, tendon Russian meaning: рог; хрящ, сухожилие Turkic: *bujn|ur/ (*bu"jn|u"r/) Mongolian: *mo"g|er-su" (-n|-) Tungus-Manchu: *mun|i Korean: *my\i'i\m Comments: EAS 120, Poppe 73, KW 268, VEWT 347b (but PTM *mu":re 'shoulder' is not related); ТМС 1, 557 (Tung.-Mong.); АПиПЯЯ 282, Лексика 148. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turkic etymology : Proto-Turkic: *bujn|ur/ (*bu"jn|u"r/) Meaning: horn Russian meaning: рог Old Turkic: mu"ju"z (OUygh.) Karakhanid: mu"n|u"z (MK) Turkish: bojnuz Tatar: mo"gez Middle Turkic: mu"n|u"z, mu"giz (Pav. C.) Uzbek: mu.giz Uighur: mu"n|gu"z Sary-Yughur: mon|ys Azerbaidzhan: bujnuz Turkmen: bujnuz Khakassian: mu":s Shor: mu":s Oyrat: mu":s Chuvash: mъjraga Yakut: muos Dolgan: muos Tuva: myjys Tofalar: miis Kirghiz: mu"ju"z Kazakh: mu"jiz Noghai: mu"jiz Bashkir: mo"go"d| Balkar: mu"ju"z Gagauz: bujnus Karaim: mun|guz Karakalpak: mujiz Salar: mon|yz Kumyk: mu"ju"z Comments: VEWT 347, EDT 352, ЭСТЯ 2, 243, Лексика 148, Stachowski 183. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mongolian etymology : Proto-Mongolian: *mo"g|er-su" (-n|-) Meaning: cartilage, gristle Russian meaning: хрящ Written Mongolian: mo"ge®su", mo"n|gu"rsu" (L 545: mo"geresu"(n)) Middle Mongolian: muqursun 'marrow, pith' (MA) Khalkha: mo"go":®s, mo":rs Buriat: men|ge:rhe(n) Kalmuck: mo":rsn. Ordos: mo":ro"su", mo":ro"s Dagur: muemc^i Monguor: mun|girz|@ (SM 248), (MGCD mung@rs@) Comments: KW 268, MGCD 489. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tungus etymology : Proto-Tungus-Manchu: *mun|i Meaning: tendon Russian meaning: сухожилие (на конце мышцы) Evenki: mun|i Comments: ТМС 1, 557. Attested only in Evk., but having plausible external parallels. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Korean etymology : Proto-Korean: *my\i'i\m Meaning: gums Russian meaning: десны Middle Korean: ni\-s-my\i'i\m, ni/-s-my\'jo\m, ni-s-my'ym, ni-s-myi'jom (ni- 'tooth' Comments: Nam 127. The modern form it-mom is a result of reinterpreting the compound as 'tooth's flesh' (mom). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Indo-European etymology : Proto-IE: *meit- (-th-) Nostratic etymology: Meaning: stake, post Old Indian: methi/- m., methi: f. (also medhi-, medhi:, med.hi:) `pillar, post' Baltic: *meĩt-a- c. Germanic: *maid-a- m. Latin: me:ta f. `jede kegel- od. pyramidenfo"rmige Figur; Spitzsa"ule; Ziel; Heuschober' References: WP II 240 f -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pokorny's dictionary : Root: mei-1 English meaning: to strengthen; pole German meaning: `befestigen' Derivatives: nominal `Pfahl; Holzbau'; moi-ro- `Holzbau' Material: Ai. mino:/ti `befestigt, gru"ndet, baut', miti/- f. `Errichtun', mita/- `befestigt', me:/tar- `der Aufrichter', mayu:/kha- m. `Pflock, Strahl', npers. me:x| `Pflock, Nagel' (*maix|a-), sogd. myg|k ds., ai. sume:/ka- `wohlgegru"ndet, fest'; lat. Pl. moenia `Umwallung, Stadtmauern' (`*Umpfa"hlung'), mu:nio: (arch. moenio:), -i:re `aufda"mmen (einen Weg), aufmauern, verschanzen, befestigen'; mu:rus, alt moiros `Mauer'; air. -tuidmen (*to-di:-mi-na-t) `befestigt', Verbaln. tuidme; germ. *mairja- `(Grenz)pfahl', ags. mæ:re, gemæ:re `Grenze, Gebiet', aisl. landa-mæ:ri `Grenze, Grenzland', usw. mei-d(h)- in: mir. me/(i)de m. `Nacken' (*mei-d-i_o-); lett. mi\et `einpfa"hlen', maĩdi^t `bestecken'. Mit t erweitert me:t- : m@it- : mit- in: ai. me:thi/- m., me:thi:/ f. (prakritisiert me:dhi/-, me:dhi:/, me:d.hi:/) `Pfeiler, Pfosten', mi/t- f. `Sa"ule, Pfosten' (vielleicht auch in av. b@r@zi-mita-, wenn `hochsa"ulig'), arm. moit` `Pfeiler'; lat. me:ta `(*Pfahl), jede kegel- oder pyramidenfo"rmige Figur'); mir. methas `Grenzmark' (*mitostu-); aisl. meiðr `Baum, Balken, Stange'; lit. miẽtas, lett. mi\ets `Pfahl'; schwundstufig lit. mita `Stecken zum Netzestricken'; wahrscheinlich auch abg. me^sto, skr. mjȅsto, c^ech. mi/sto `Ort' aus *mo:itsto- oder *me:tsto-. References: WP. II 239 f., WH. II 30 f., Trautmann 165 f.; See also: vgl. mei-4. Pages: 709 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baltic etymology : Proto-Baltic: *meĩt-a- c. Meaning: stake, post Lithuanian: miẽta-s `(Zaun)pfahl; mita Stecken zum Netzestricken; Garnflu"gel, kleines Brettchen, das mit einer Schnur am ende des Netzsackes befestigt ist und durch seine Lage auf dem Wasser dem Fischer die Stellung des Netzes anzeigt' Lettish: mi\ets 'Pfahl; Staken, Hopfenstange, Bihnenstange' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Germanic etymology : Proto-Germanic: *maida-z Meaning: tree, beam Old Norse: meid|-r m. `Baum' Norwegian: meid `Schlitterunterlage' Swedish: med(e) `Schlitterunterlage' Danish: mede `Schlitterunterlage' Old English: { wull-mo:d `Spinnrocken' } Old High German: { meit `Baum', wolla-meit `Spinnrocken' } В связи со словом МУЙIС = "рог" интересно упомянуть другое тюркское слово , звучащее почти так же и означающее почти то же . Это слово МУЙIС = "угол, мыс". Старостин относит его к другому алтайскому корню со значением УГОЛ, и почему то не упоминает в этой связи индоевропейское слово МЫС, которое по Фасмеру имеет неясную этимологию, и переводится в значении МЫС у тюрок словом МУЙIС = "угол, мыс". Вот и прояснили этимологию Может и РОГ, и МЫС, и УГОЛ все же одного корня? Корня, который, как предположил Сулейменов, содержится в мычании РОГАТОГО быка - МУ-У, и в названии ДВУРОГОЙ луны -MOON Казахский Русский муйіс бухта мыс угол уголок Word: мыс,Near etymology: род. п. -а, ка́менный мыс, у Арсен. Сухан. 118 (1651 г.), блр. мыс "угол (стола)". Неясно. Сравнение с др.-инд. múkham "пасть, морда", греч. μυχός "внутренность, глубина; залив, бухта", арм. mẋеm (*muẋem) "ныряю" (Бугге, KZ 32, 20; Уленбек, Aind. Wb. 226, без русск. слова) сомнительно в фонетическом отношении. Сближение с греч. ἀμύσσω, атт. ἀμύττω "царапаю", ἀμυχή "царапина", ἀμυκΒλΒί ̇ Βἱ ἀκίδες τῶν βελῶν (Гесихий), лат. mucrō м. "острие" (Ильинский, Сб. Вс. Срезневскому 33 и сл.), лит. mùšti, mùšu "бью" неубедительно семантически, ср. Вальде--Гофм. 2, 117 и сл.; Гофман, Gr. Wb. 16; Буазак 17. Pages: 3,24 Nostratic etymology :Nostratic: *mun|l/e Meaning: corner Altaic: *mun|l/e Dravidian: *mu:l- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Altaic etymology : Proto-Altaic: *mun|l/e Meaning: angle Russian meaning: угол Turkic: *bu"n|u"l/ Tungus-Manchu: *mon|la Japanese: *masu- Comments: An interesting Turk.-TM-Jpn. match; the meaning in TM probably reflects an intermediate stage "angle between the index finger and thumb". {Cf. Wmo mujilan| 'короткие и широкие рога'?}. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turkic etymology : Proto-Turkic: *bu"n|u"l/ Meaning: angle Russian meaning: угол Karakhanid: mu"n|u"s^ (Rabg.) Tatar: mu"jes^ Middle Turkic: mu"n|u"s^ (Sangl.) Uzbek: mujus^, mujys^ Yakut: mun|, mun|nuk Dolgan: mun|, munnuk Kazakh: mu"jis Noghai: mu"jis Bashkir: mu"ges^ (dial.) Balkar: mu"ju"s^ Karaim: mu"ju"s^, mu"vu"s^ Karakalpak: mu"jes^ Kumyk: mujus^, mu"ju"s^ Comments: VEWT 344, EDT 771, ЭСТЯ 7, Stachowski 182 (on a different etymology of Yak. mun|nuq see Clark 1977, 133). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tungus etymology : Proto-Tungus-Manchu: *mon|la Meaning: 1 measure of length (distance between the thumb and the index finger) 2 finger Russian meaning: 1 мера длины (расстояние между большим и указательным пальцем) 2 палец Ulcha: mowgolo 2 Orok: momgu., mon|bo 1,2 Oroch: mon|lo 1 Comments: ТМС 1, 545. The Orok and Ul. form are probably dissimilative developments of *mon|glo < *mon|la. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Japanese etymology : Proto-Japanese: *masu- Meaning: square shape, shape with angles Russian meaning: квадратная форма Middle Japanese: masu-gata Tokyo: masugata -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dravidian etymology : Proto-Dravidian : *mu:l- Meaning : corner, angle Proto-South Dravidian: *mu:l-ai Proto-Telugu : *mu:l- Proto-Kolami-Gadba : *mu:l- Proto-Gondi-Kui : *mu:l- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- South Dravidian etymology : Proto-South Dravidian : *mu:l-ai Meaning : corner Tamil : mu:lai Tamil meaning : corner, intermediate point of compass Malayalam : mu:la Malayalam meaning : corner, intermediate point of compass Kannada : mu:le Kannada meaning : corner, point of compass Kodagu : mu:le Kodagu meaning : corner Tulu : mu:le\ Tulu meaning : corner, point of compass, direction Proto-Nilgiri : *mu:l[a"] Miscellaneous : KOR (T) mullu corner Number in DED : 5044 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nilgiri etymology : Proto-Nilgiri : *mu:l[a"] Meaning : corner, direction Kota : mu:l Toda : mu:ly Number in DED : 5044 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Telugu etymology : Proto-Telugu : *mu:l- Meaning : corner, point of compass, direction Telugu : mu:la Number in DED : 5044 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kolami-Gadba etymology : Proto-Kolami-Gadba : *mu:l- Meaning : corner Kolami (Setumadhava Rao) : mu:la: "corner, elbow" Parji : mu:la Number in DED : 5044 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gondwan etymology : Proto-Gondi-Kui : *mu:l- Meaning : corner Proto-Gondi : *mu:l-a: Konda : mu:la Proto-Kui-Kuwi : *mu:l- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gondi etymology : Proto-Gondi : *mu:l-a: Meaning : corner Koya Gondi : mu:la Maria Gondi (Mitchell) : mu:la Adilabad Gondi : mu:la "(SR) horizon" Number in DED : 5044 Number in CVOTGD : 2945 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Konda etymology : Konda : mu:la MEANING: corner Number in DED : 5044 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kui-Kuwi etymology : Proto-Kui-Kuwi : *mu:l- Meaning : corner Kui : muju, mudgu (?) Kuwi (Fitzgerald) : mu:la Sunkarametta Kuwi : mu:la Kuwi (Israel) : mu:la Notes : Kui muju cannot belong here; it hhould go back to *muygu. Number in DED : 5044
Гость Aleksandr Опубликовано 8 мая, 2005 Опубликовано 8 мая, 2005 Спасибо! Там еще река течет, называется Узургу. В Интернете нашел, что у бурят слово «узур» означает "устье". А что означает узургу по-казахски?
